How I solved my input lag forever

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KriTiKaL
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How I solved my input lag forever

Post by KriTiKaL » 12 Jun 2023, 11:17

Hello!
VERY IMPORTANT:
This is related who don't have problem with electricity and Internet and who is NVIDIA user !!!

My name is Dan and I am living in Romania and I like to play CS:GO and other shooter games, but especially CSGO I am playing a lot.
I have accumulate more than 10k hours on both accounts on Steam.
I didn't had problem with my old devices: laptop (MSI i7 8750h + GTX 1050Ti) and PC (i5 6600k and GTX 660 +144hz monitor 24")
Two years ago in 2021 Feb I just bought my current PC which is 5600x + RTX 3070 + 1440p 27" monitor
Since when I changed my old pc I had input lag after just two bullets when I was shooting in CS:GO and I knew there is something is wrong with this because well I am not very good player I am only Supreme and level 9 on FACEIT, but still I knew that is wrong I have to do this about that.
My mouse was way so off of(heavy, sluggish or whatever do you want to call it.(unplayable I can say) I didn't knew how to fix the problem and then I have tried to fix with many various of tweaks like:
BIOS tweaks
Scripts optimization
RAM optimization
HPET Mode
DDU Uninstall
MSIMODE
NVIDIA all of combination possible
DWM ON OFF
The only fix for me was to leave on NVIDIA to leave Low Latency Mode ON, but still the issue was there also with the input lag

FIX!!!!
Somehow yesterday I have search again about this and found this:
"If you have and NVIDIA GPU, use FULLSCREEN Scaling mode, do a cold boot, try refreshing(meaning select something else like the Aspect ratio scaling mode and go back to the full screen one)
This you have to do EVERY BOOT, you will notice the input lag difference even on desktop after this.
This swap bug has been there since Vista, and since Windows 10 is basically a Vista on the core, NVIDIA has the same bugs in store.
Also, make sure you have "Display scaling mode available, instead of GPU. GPU mode adds a lag you can also clearly feel with your mouse."

Windows 10 is a potato, but somehow new graphic cards and new drivers force us to go for it. :roll:

I hope it help some people here and I still waiting for your feedback. :mrgreen:

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Re: How I solved my input lag forever

Post by Slender » 13 Jun 2023, 10:15

KriTiKaL wrote:
12 Jun 2023, 11:17
Hello!
VERY IMPORTANT:
This is related who don't have problem with electricity and Internet and who is NVIDIA user !!!

My name is Dan and I am living in Romania and I like to play CS:GO and other shooter games, but especially CSGO I am playing a lot.
I have accumulate more than 10k hours on both accounts on Steam.
I didn't had problem with my old devices: laptop (MSI i7 8750h + GTX 1050Ti) and PC (i5 6600k and GTX 660 +144hz monitor 24")
Two years ago in 2021 Feb I just bought my current PC which is 5600x + RTX 3070 + 1440p 27" monitor
Since when I changed my old pc I had input lag after just two bullets when I was shooting in CS:GO and I knew there is something is wrong with this because well I am not very good player I am only Supreme and level 9 on FACEIT, but still I knew that is wrong I have to do this about that.
My mouse was way so off of(heavy, sluggish or whatever do you want to call it.(unplayable I can say) I didn't knew how to fix the problem and then I have tried to fix with many various of tweaks like:
BIOS tweaks
Scripts optimization
RAM optimization
HPET Mode
DDU Uninstall
MSIMODE
NVIDIA all of combination possible
DWM ON OFF
The only fix for me was to leave on NVIDIA to leave Low Latency Mode ON, but still the issue was there also with the input lag

FIX!!!!
Somehow yesterday I have search again about this and found this:
"If you have and NVIDIA GPU, use FULLSCREEN Scaling mode, do a cold boot, try refreshing(meaning select something else like the Aspect ratio scaling mode and go back to the full screen one)
This you have to do EVERY BOOT, you will notice the input lag difference even on desktop after this.
This swap bug has been there since Vista, and since Windows 10 is basically a Vista on the core, NVIDIA has the same bugs in store.
Also, make sure you have "Display scaling mode available, instead of GPU. GPU mode adds a lag you can also clearly feel with your mouse."

Windows 10 is a potato, but somehow new graphic cards and new drivers force us to go for it. :roll:

I hope it help some people here and I still waiting for your feedback. :mrgreen:
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Re: How I solved my input lag forever

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Re: How I solved my input lag forever

Post by Zodasaur » 19 Jun 2023, 01:21

KriTiKaL wrote:
12 Jun 2023, 11:17
Windows 10 is a potato, but somehow new graphic cards and new drivers force us to go for it. :roll:
Your RTX 3070 supports Windows 7 so I'm not sure what you mean when you claim that new graphics cards force us to go for Windows 10.

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Re: How I solved my input lag forever

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 19 Jun 2023, 01:39

Depends on what you need from the drivers.

Certain features are only on Windows 10 and later, such as RTX and DLSS.

Also, Windows 11 is needed to break the 500Hz barrier (to support 540Hz-1000Hz displays).
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Re: How I solved my input lag forever

Post by Slender » 19 Jun 2023, 02:23

Chief Blur Buster wrote:
19 Jun 2023, 01:39
Depends on what you need from the drivers.

Certain features are only on Windows 10 and later, such as RTX and DLSS.

Also, Windows 11 is needed to break the 500Hz barrier (to support 540Hz-1000Hz displays).
lol, really? 540hz not support on win10?

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Re: How I solved my input lag forever

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 19 Jun 2023, 02:35

Slender wrote:
19 Jun 2023, 02:23
lol, really? 540hz not support on win10?
Sadly, breaking the bad news to you about Windows 10's end of line in refresh rate race:
www.blurbusters.com/microsoft-windows-8k-60hz-limit-and-512hz-limit/

That headline has an error, the limit is 500, not 512. Minor nuance it may be, the implications are the same.
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Re: How I solved my input lag forever

Post by 0ka » 25 Jun 2023, 02:56

tested this with arduino + light sensor + rtss latency marker + gpu test triangle (FSE, cpu bound, ~3k fps), gtx 660 gpu, driver 474.30. Result - no difference. I also tested other scaling modes with gpu and display mode - also no difference

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Re: How I solved my input lag forever

Post by mago » 07 Jul 2023, 08:14

those settings seems to help

even @ 8khz and 3200dpi no stutters playing csgo

edit:
played valorant for few games and csgo
does seems to be smoother
however cant go against peekers, mouse is not fast / responsive as should even with high dpi polling rate
:(
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Re: How I solved my input lag forever

Post by akylen » 07 Jul 2023, 09:27

mago wrote:
07 Jul 2023, 08:14
those settings seems to help

even @ 8khz and 3200dpi no stutters playing csgo
Nice
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