Why are there no other 360hz TN panels?

[babooz99]

Stop with the nonsense. It's not because oled makes them "obsolete". Tn is still king for pure competitive gaming advantage.

TN leads in marketing. Yes, it's slightly less blurry, but it does not give an advantage in competitive games, especially slow ones like csgo.
It's all marketing.
I saw with my own eyes ips 390hz and tn 360hz. In a real game there is no difference, it must be viewed under a microscope.
IPS provides a low enough level of blur to comfortably play and win in any games.
I see no reason to consider TN in 2023, this is an outdated technology with terrible color reproduction and viewing angles.

You can't notice a difference because probably because you aren't perceptive enough. I had a 390hz IPS and it was worse than my xl2546k 240hz let alone the xl2566k 360hz. Every high level player at the top 1% can tell the difference. The 390hz IPS has too much ghosting.

[Sirius]

In fact, the best screen after all is the one YOU like, there is no "best" screen, it depends on the game, the requirement, the best screen is the one where YOU are comfortable on it.

OLED and TN are better for motion clarity and responsivness and IPS are now good also ( well...VA...uh what is VA anyway xD )

Some will prefer a screen with an intuitive OSD, we all need a good motion blur here but remember that your needs are not those of others, some have specific desires (playing low strobing retro games hertz / have a super intuitive OSD / profiles for day and night / the best motion clarity without strobe etc )

[Sirius]

Stop with the nonsense. It's not because oled makes them "obsolete". Tn is still king for pure competitive gaming advantage.

TN leads in marketing. Yes, it's slightly less blurry, but it does not give an advantage in competitive games, especially slow ones like csgo.
It's all marketing.
I saw with my own eyes ips 390hz and tn 360hz. In a real game there is no difference, it must be viewed under a microscope.
IPS provides a low enough level of blur to comfortably play and win in any games.
I see no reason to consider TN in 2023, this is an outdated technology with terrible color reproduction and viewing angles.

You can't notice a difference because probably because you aren't perceptive enough. I had a 390hz IPS and it was worse than my xl2546k 240hz let alone the xl2566k 360hz. Every high level player at the top 1% can tell the difference. The 390hz IPS has too much ghosting.

I think you talk about Refresh Compliance, right ?
If you prefer the XL2546K over the Acer 390hz it is because the Refresh Compliance are better on the Zowie or it is just a feeling of Input Lag ? ( or you talk only about ghosting performance ) because i think the 360hz panel ( 390hz OC ) on the Acer are the first IPS 25 inch 360hz panel or i'm wrong ? ( you know the one that was in a lot of 360hz IPS screens from MSI and other company, I think it's the same panel )

Anyway the Acer 390hz are better on games like Overwatch than Apex Legends for example due to the FPS limitation and others things.

[MSIfanboy]

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[F1zus]

Stop with the nonsense. It's not because oled makes them "obsolete". Tn is still king for pure competitive gaming advantage.

TN leads in marketing. Yes, it's slightly less blurry, but it does not give an advantage in competitive games, especially slow ones like csgo.
It's all marketing.
I saw with my own eyes ips 390hz and tn 360hz. In a real game there is no difference, it must be viewed under a microscope.
IPS provides a low enough level of blur to comfortably play and win in any games.
I see no reason to consider TN in 2023, this is an outdated technology with terrible color reproduction and viewing angles.

You can't notice a difference because probably because you aren't perceptive enough. I had a 390hz IPS and it was worse than my xl2546k 240hz let alone the xl2566k 360hz. Every high level player at the top 1% can tell the difference. The 390hz IPS has too much ghosting.

I played xl2566k with and without dyac mode. Yes, there is a small difference with sharp turns and flicks from the AWP. But this difference needs to be specifically looked out for and paid attention to. After 20 minutes of playing, you already forget whether the dyac mode is on or not.
I repeat once again that csgo is a rather slow game and enemy models come out at a low speed, where any 360Hz monitor can cope without problems and displays models without orioles.
The whole difference lies in sharp turns and flicks with AWP.
These marketing dyacs don't give any advantage in csgo, 0. Just 0 advantage.
Put any pro player on 360hz ips and he will play with the same stats as marketing zowie + dyac.
Monitor latency is 2-4ms, computer latency is about 20ms. Think about it.
It's easier with some tweaks to reduce system latency and enjoy a responsive mouse and a smooth picture on any monitor.

[axaro1]

I saw with my own eyes ips 390hz and tn 360hz. In a real game there is no difference, it must be viewed under a microscope.
IPS provides a low enough level of blur to comfortably play and win in any games.
I see no reason to consider TN in 2023, this is an outdated technology with terrible color reproduction and viewing angles.

390hz IPS surely is responsive but it's very blurry without VRB and not even remotely comparable with the 2566K.

Once you enable VRB it still generates a lot of afterimages in the crosstalk-less area due to suboptimal response times, I find it hard to believe that you can't see a difference between the two monitors in ingame scenarios.

360hz IPS failed in its purpose, most pros who tested both 360hz IPS and 360hz TN praise the Zowie. The only high refresh rate 1080p IPS worth of being compared with the 2566K is the XG2431.
Before getting the 2566K I was using the fastest 240hz TN (Omen X 25, not the 25f) and it was already quite a lot better than the Acer in competitive fps games.
You can have the smoothest and less laggy monitor that was every created but you'll still struggle seeing enemies during tracking and flicks if response time compliance barely reach double digit values.

[Caronizeeee]

I saw with my own eyes ips 390hz and tn 360hz. In a real game there is no difference, it must be viewed under a microscope.
IPS provides a low enough level of blur to comfortably play and win in any games.
I see no reason to consider TN in 2023, this is an outdated technology with terrible color reproduction and viewing angles.

390hz IPS surely is responsive but it's very blurry without VRB and not even remotely comparable with the 2566K.

Once you enable VRB it still generates a lot of afterimages in the crosstalk-less area due to suboptimal response times, I find it hard to believe that you can't see a difference between the two monitors in ingame scenarios.

360hz IPS failed in its purpose, most pros who tested both 360hz IPS and 360hz TN praise the Zowie. The only high refresh rate 1080p IPS worth of being compared with the 2566K is the XG2431.
Before getting the 2566K I was using the fastest 240hz TN (Omen X 25, not the 25f) and it was already quite a lot better than the Acer in competitive fps games.
You can have the smoothest and less laggy monitor that was every created but you'll still struggle seeing enemies during tracking and flicks if response time compliance barely reach double digit values.

I got the Acer 390hz and I'm still having a hard time adapting to my old Alienware AW2518HF (freesync model). I don't know if it's because he's more responsive and I'm passing enemy crosshairs or what. Do you think the XL2546K for example also better for competitive games than the XV252Q? Do you think the XV252Q is bad for competitive games then?

[axaro1]

Do you think the XL2546K for example also better for competitive games than the XV252Q?

The XL2546K has a lot of flaws but motion clarity surely isn't one of them, you still have to deal with some overshoot artifacts since it forces you to use AMA High or Premium, this is why the XG2431 is IMO a better pick in every aspect except strobing brightness.

In the current state of the 1080p high refresh rate market the XG2431 is simply a step above the competition.

Do you think the XV252Q is bad for competitive games then?

I wouldn't say "bad" it's just that it's in my opinion not comparable to the XL2566K or to the fastest 240hz TNs such as the Omen X25 and the XN253QX.
Due it's refresh rate you can kind of see the finer details of the UFO at lower speeds but once you go past 1920px/sec the X25 shows less trailing. I also think that the strobing implementation cannot fix but only mitigate the real flaw of this monitor which is response times compliance.

I believe that if you come from a 144hz TN/IPS or the average unstrobed 240hz IPS the XV252QF is considerable an upgrade but if you already have a fast 240hz TN monitor the XV252QF is a sidegrade: you get worse motion clarity but you gain a smoother and less laggy monitor with better colors.

[Caronizeeee]

Do you think the XL2546K for example also better for competitive games than the XV252Q?

The XL2546K has a lot of flaws but motion clarity surely isn't one of them, you still have to deal with some overshoot artifacts since it forces you to use AMA High or Premium, this is why the XG2431 is IMO a better pick in every aspect except strobing brightness.

In the current state of the 1080p high refresh rate market the XG2431 is simply a step above the competition.

Do you think the XV252Q is bad for competitive games then?

I wouldn't say "bad" it's just that it's in my opinion not comparable to the XL2566K or to the fastest 240hz TNs such as the Omen X25 and the XN253QX.
Due it's refresh rate you can kind of see the finer details of the UFO at lower speeds but once you go past 1920px/sec the X25 shows less trailing. I also think that the strobing implementation cannot fix but only mitigate the real flaw of this monitor which is response times compliance.

I believe that if you come from a 144hz TN/IPS or the average unstrobed 240hz IPS the XV252QF is considerable an upgrade but if you already have a fast 240hz TN monitor the XV252QF is a sidegrade: you get worse motion clarity but you gain a smoother and less laggy monitor with better colors.

I understood. I think my old Alienware AW2518HF must be much worse in all aspects like, input lag, response time, motion blur than the Acer XV252Q. But I'm still adapting to the Acer. Sincerely at 390hz at 390fps constant in Valorant, I didn't think it made much difference to activate the VRB in extreme, I think that very little difference. Maybe in games that get less FPS like Apex or Warzone the VRB should make more difference, but then I would have to lower my refresh rate in NVCP, right?

[axaro1]

but then I would have to lower my refresh rate in NVCP, right?

Yes, to me the XV252QF worked the best by using a custom 240hz resolution with 1950 VT ( https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZR3zksqrbrY).
This way 80-90% of the screen is pretty much crosstalkless when using VRB + the panel is much more compliant with 240hz so there is a little bit less trailing behind the ufo.