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Re: Any no-compromises upgrade from BenQ XL2720Z in 2023?

Posted: 17 Aug 2023, 01:29
by Chief Blur Buster
Ozzuneoj wrote:
17 Aug 2023, 00:08
Traditionally, I have gone to the Blur Busters monitor lists, reviews and forums for recommendations, but it seems like there are so many monitors coming out these days that the site can't possibly cover them all. I don't see any 240Hz 1440P monitors on the lists here for example.
Sorry about that -- pandemic-era cutbacks caused the lists to go stale.

We're going to have to refresh those. Mea culpa. But till then...

Re: Any no-compromises upgrade from BenQ XL2720Z in 2023?

Posted: 17 Aug 2023, 19:42
by Ozzuneoj
Chief Blur Buster wrote:
17 Aug 2023, 01:29
Ozzuneoj wrote:
17 Aug 2023, 00:08
Traditionally, I have gone to the Blur Busters monitor lists, reviews and forums for recommendations, but it seems like there are so many monitors coming out these days that the site can't possibly cover them all. I don't see any 240Hz 1440P monitors on the lists here for example.
Sorry about that -- pandemic-era cutbacks caused the lists to go stale.

We're going to have to refresh those. Mea culpa. But till then...
Can you reveal whether any of the monitors you are involved with will be under $600?

I wish something like the XG270 was available in 1440P 240Hz with Blur Busters certification.

Re: Any no-compromises upgrade from BenQ XL2720Z in 2023?

Posted: 27 Aug 2023, 15:22
by Ozzuneoj
Posted this elsewhere, but I figured it'd be good to update this thread as well:

I made an impulse purchase.

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/ ... g_monitor/

Brand new 27GR83Q-B LG UltraGear 27" 240Hz 1440P IPS. Normally $500, but after coupon and multiple layers of cash back it will only be $250!

Even if I use it for a little while and I'm not happy with the investment I can easily flip this for more than I paid.

I don't expect perfect strobing modes by any means... but for the price this was a no brainer. 240Hz 1440P IPS will be such a huge improvement for desktop usage... I have a feeling I may not even need blur reduction at 240Hz to get decent text clarity when scrolling web pages (something I have grown to appreciate doing with my BenQ).

Anyway, we'll see how it goes. I am more likely to find a monitor that is acceptable for the price when it is under $250, as opposed to $400-$650. I have a feeling most IPS monitors will have similar drawbacks compared to what I have now (some hopefully less than others), so this seemed like a good choice.

EDIT: Here are the specs...
https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/ab453468
Seems like a decent monitor for $500, but a fantastic monitor for under $250.

The stand doesn't turn (as in to angle it left or right for someone sitting next to you), which stinks, but it wasn't looking like I was going to get that for under $400 anyway, and it is admittedly a much smaller problem with an IPS screen compared to the TN I am used to.

There are no reviews of this model yet since it has only been available for about a month.

Re: Any no-compromises upgrade from BenQ XL2720Z in 2023?

Posted: 27 Aug 2023, 15:33
by CubanLegend
This thread is something I'd like to also ask about.

I currently have x3 XL2720's all running in a triple-monitor configuration 2x at 120HZ and one at 60HZ, all single-strobing with high VT's and the Low AMA Tweak for better image clarity. I love the Size of the 27", and that it's only 1080p means I can get high framerates at 120hz.

Do we expect anything as good as the XL2720 to ever exist and be worthy of being called a "no-compromise upgrade"?

Personally I need and daily drive 1 of my 3 monitors with Single-Strobing all the way down to 60hz, I love the PPI, so for me a 1440p 32" version of the XL2720 would be ideal.
Chief Blur Buster wrote:
17 Aug 2023, 01:29
Ozzuneoj wrote:
17 Aug 2023, 00:08
Traditionally, I have gone to the Blur Busters monitor lists, reviews and forums for recommendations, but it seems like there are so many monitors coming out these days that the site can't possibly cover them all. I don't see any 240Hz 1440P monitors on the lists here for example.
Sorry about that -- pandemic-era cutbacks caused the lists to go stale.

We're going to have to refresh those. Mea culpa. But till then...
I'd like to see the list of monitors that can Single-Strobe at 60hz be updated please? I used to be able to find it easily on the forums, but I'm at a loss as to it's location at times.

Re: Any no-compromises upgrade from BenQ XL2720Z in 2023?

Posted: 06 Sep 2023, 02:47
by Ozzuneoj
Okay. Just want to start off by saying, this is NOT a no-compromises upgrade from an XL2720Z. This is me deciding to try something different after getting used to a certain set of features for a long time. That said, I think I have found the display to hold me over until 240Hz+ OLED with BFI and VRR is reliable and affordable.

Yesterday I got my LG 27GR83Q and it's gorgeous! Huuuge overall image quality upgrade from my old BenQ XL2720Z 120HZ 1080P TN panel. That monitor has extremely good backlight strobing, and this monitor has NO strobing, but as of right now I'm actually not missing it. Having 240Hz refresh, VRR, hugely improved viewing angles and much higher PPI are all super nice after using an older monitor for so long. Also, since I don't even have the option for backlight strobing I am kind of forced into getting the full benefit of the IPS panel's improved color quality. Turning off Blur Reduction (strobing) on the old BenQ made the colors and contrast much better, but the strobing made such a huge difference on that screen that I simply always used it and took the huge hit to color\contrast\brightness. Since this LG doesn't have it at all, I'm not tempted to sacrifice all that beautiful color, brightness and contrast for it.

I think I'm okay with just using a non-strobed display for a while as a change. Maybe once OLED monitors have 240Hz with BFI and maybe simultaneous VRR (so far it has only been done on LCDs), I will go with something like that, but for now I'm very happy with this for $250.

Only things that I really don't like are related to ergonomics:
1. The Stand is pretty mediocre for what is supposed to be a $400-$500 monitor. It looks okay, but it feels a lot less substantial than my old BenQ... like if my cat decides to go crazy and climb behind my monitor for some reason, this one is far more likely to get tipped over, though it will probably never happen.

2.The lack of pivot\swivel (so you can point it toward someone next to you) feels pretty obvious when I grab onto it and it just can't go that way.

3. The most noticeable shortcoming of the base (for me) is that it doesn't go down nearly low enough. I have an unusual desk setup (my monitor sits on top of a vintage stereo receiver that I rebuilt) which requires the monitor to be set very low. My BenQ XL2720Z could lower to about 2 1/4 inches from the bottom of the bezel to the desk. The LG only goes to about 3 3/4 inches (when not tilted down), which is a pretty huge difference when talking about minimum height. It will go super high, but I'd have definitely preferred that it just go lower. Again, I know this isn't a common use case, but it is disappointing and kind of makes my setup just look wrong, where the old monitor went down so low it looked perfectly fine. It also doesn't angle downward much to compensate.

4. The ports on the back point straight out rather than down, which is a bit scary. Again... it's unlikely, but if my cat ever goes crazy and decides to scale "Mt. computer desk", the single DP port on this thing is terrifyingly vulnerable. I could get a right angle DP adapter, but the ports are stacked vertically so it will cover both HDMI ports, and there may not even be enough clearance for a cable to be angled that way back there. I have no idea what they were thinking with this design. Wall mounting would likely be a huge pain too... though I have no plans to do that.

Anyway, those are my gripes with it. They are annoying but not deal breakers considering what I paid for this thing. And, of course, if it had a strobing feature that would be nice, but because it isn't there I can just enjoy the monitor for what it does well. I will say, all my games feel like they are buttery smooth thanks to the combination of 240Hz and VRR. Just using the desktop at 240Hz is incredible, and the clarity of moving text\images is surprisingly good despite the lack of strobing. I'm sure this panel isn't technically fast enough to truly show 240fps cleanly, but it looks great to my eyes.

I do notice the dark\light haze at the edges of the display when I look at it, which I'm guessing is "IPS glow" (note, this is not backlight bleed... the backlight is actually very very even and consistent!), but this is FAR less noticeable than the red tint at the edges that my old monitor had due to poor TN viewing angles. Also, the anti-glare coating on the display seems just right and is definitely less grainy\textured than my old BenQ, so that's a nice bonus.

My OLED TV blows any of these monitors out of the water in any area related to picture quality and contrast, but again... this was only $250. I would personally not spend $500+ on an LCD monitor in 2023 after seeing OLED in action, but for what I spent it's a no brainer. At $399 (the current price) you'd definitely need to gauge the value of it based on your own needs, but I have a hard time picturing a monitor being substantially better than this in this price range outside of the ergonomic\stand issues I mentioned before.

So yeah... it's a keeper for me. Might look into a VESA mount stand or something to see if it improves ergonomics, but the display itself is better than I thought it'd be. I hope it is reliable too.

I will keep my XL2720Z just in case I want to use it for things that benefit greatly from strobing (emulation, 2D games, etc.) and I will keep checking in here periodically to see how BFI\strobing is evolving over time. Some day it will be affordable to have all these bells and whistles together, but for now I'll be happy to use such a nice modern display, and even happier that I got it for like $245 after coupons and cash back. :D

Re: Any no-compromises upgrade from BenQ XL2720Z in 2023?

Posted: 20 Sep 2024, 04:40
by neuvil
Ozzuneoj wrote:
06 Sep 2023, 02:47
Okay. Just want to start off by saying, this is NOT a no-compromises upgrade from an XL2720Z. This is me deciding to try something different after getting used to a certain set of features for a long time. That said, I think I have found the display to hold me over until 240Hz+ OLED with BFI and VRR is reliable and affordable.

Yesterday I got my LG 27GR83Q and it's gorgeous! Huuuge overall image quality upgrade from my old BenQ XL2720Z 120HZ 1080P TN panel. That monitor has extremely good backlight strobing, and this monitor has NO strobing, but as of right now I'm actually not missing it. Having 240Hz refresh, VRR, hugely improved viewing angles and much higher PPI are all super nice after using an older monitor for so long. Also, since I don't even have the option for backlight strobing I am kind of forced into getting the full benefit of the IPS panel's improved color quality. Turning off Blur Reduction (strobing) on the old BenQ made the colors and contrast much better, but the strobing made such a huge difference on that screen that I simply always used it and took the huge hit to color\contrast\brightness. Since this LG doesn't have it at all, I'm not tempted to sacrifice all that beautiful color, brightness and contrast for it.

I think I'm okay with just using a non-strobed display for a while as a change. Maybe once OLED monitors have 240Hz with BFI and maybe simultaneous VRR (so far it has only been done on LCDs), I will go with something like that, but for now I'm very happy with this for $250.

Only things that I really don't like are related to ergonomics:
1. The Stand is pretty mediocre for what is supposed to be a $400-$500 monitor. It looks okay, but it feels a lot less substantial than my old BenQ... like if my cat decides to go crazy and climb behind my monitor for some reason, this one is far more likely to get tipped over, though it will probably never happen.

2.The lack of pivot\swivel (so you can point it toward someone next to you) feels pretty obvious when I grab onto it and it just can't go that way.

3. The most noticeable shortcoming of the base (for me) is that it doesn't go down nearly low enough. I have an unusual desk setup (my monitor sits on top of a vintage stereo receiver that I rebuilt) which requires the monitor to be set very low. My BenQ XL2720Z could lower to about 2 1/4 inches from the bottom of the bezel to the desk. The LG only goes to about 3 3/4 inches (when not tilted down), which is a pretty huge difference when talking about minimum height. It will go super high, but I'd have definitely preferred that it just go lower. Again, I know this isn't a common use case, but it is disappointing and kind of makes my setup just look wrong, where the old monitor went down so low it looked perfectly fine. It also doesn't angle downward much to compensate.

4. The ports on the back point straight out rather than down, which is a bit scary. Again... it's unlikely, but if my cat ever goes crazy and decides to scale "Mt. computer desk", the single DP port on this thing is terrifyingly vulnerable. I could get a right angle DP adapter, but the ports are stacked vertically so it will cover both HDMI ports, and there may not even be enough clearance for a cable to be angled that way back there. I have no idea what they were thinking with this design. Wall mounting would likely be a huge pain too... though I have no plans to do that.

Anyway, those are my gripes with it. They are annoying but not deal breakers considering what I paid for this thing. And, of course, if it had a strobing feature that would be nice, but because it isn't there I can just enjoy the monitor for what it does well. I will say, all my games feel like they are buttery smooth thanks to the combination of 240Hz and VRR. Just using the desktop at 240Hz is incredible, and the clarity of moving text\images is surprisingly good despite the lack of strobing. I'm sure this panel isn't technically fast enough to truly show 240fps cleanly, but it looks great to my eyes.

I do notice the dark\light haze at the edges of the display when I look at it, which I'm guessing is "IPS glow" (note, this is not backlight bleed... the backlight is actually very very even and consistent!), but this is FAR less noticeable than the red tint at the edges that my old monitor had due to poor TN viewing angles. Also, the anti-glare coating on the display seems just right and is definitely less grainy\textured than my old BenQ, so that's a nice bonus.

My OLED TV blows any of these monitors out of the water in any area related to picture quality and contrast, but again... this was only $250. I would personally not spend $500+ on an LCD monitor in 2023 after seeing OLED in action, but for what I spent it's a no brainer. At $399 (the current price) you'd definitely need to gauge the value of it based on your own needs, but I have a hard time picturing a monitor being substantially better than this in this price range outside of the ergonomic\stand issues I mentioned before.

So yeah... it's a keeper for me. Might look into a VESA mount stand or something to see if it improves ergonomics, but the display itself is better than I thought it'd be. I hope it is reliable too.

I will keep my XL2720Z just in case I want to use it for things that benefit greatly from strobing (emulation, 2D games, etc.) and I will keep checking in here periodically to see how BFI\strobing is evolving over time. Some day it will be affordable to have all these bells and whistles together, but for now I'll be happy to use such a nice modern display, and even happier that I got it for like $245 after coupons and cash back. :D
Hi, Im new to the forum (made an acc just cause of this post) so sorry in advance if I make a mistake (wrong place to ask, quote etc).

Anyways, I'm looking into buying the LG 27GR83Q and Im interested in your opinion after 1 year of use. Pretty much living in a 3rd world country where with a premium price on all tech I kinda narrowed down my search to this panel.
How's the eyestrain, any headache issues, any issues with the monitor itself?

Re: Any no-compromises upgrade from BenQ XL2720Z in 2023?

Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 20:47
by Ozzuneoj
neuvil wrote:
20 Sep 2024, 04:40
Ozzuneoj wrote:
06 Sep 2023, 02:47
Okay. Just want to start off by saying, this is NOT a no-compromises upgrade from an XL2720Z. This is me deciding to try something different after getting used to a certain set of features for a long time. That said, I think I have found the display to hold me over until 240Hz+ OLED with BFI and VRR is reliable and affordable.

Yesterday I got my LG 27GR83Q and it's gorgeous! Huuuge overall image quality upgrade from my old BenQ XL2720Z 120HZ 1080P TN panel. That monitor has extremely good backlight strobing, and this monitor has NO strobing, but as of right now I'm actually not missing it. Having 240Hz refresh, VRR, hugely improved viewing angles and much higher PPI are all super nice after using an older monitor for so long. Also, since I don't even have the option for backlight strobing I am kind of forced into getting the full benefit of the IPS panel's improved color quality. Turning off Blur Reduction (strobing) on the old BenQ made the colors and contrast much better, but the strobing made such a huge difference on that screen that I simply always used it and took the huge hit to color\contrast\brightness. Since this LG doesn't have it at all, I'm not tempted to sacrifice all that beautiful color, brightness and contrast for it.

I think I'm okay with just using a non-strobed display for a while as a change. Maybe once OLED monitors have 240Hz with BFI and maybe simultaneous VRR (so far it has only been done on LCDs), I will go with something like that, but for now I'm very happy with this for $250.

Only things that I really don't like are related to ergonomics:
1. The Stand is pretty mediocre for what is supposed to be a $400-$500 monitor. It looks okay, but it feels a lot less substantial than my old BenQ... like if my cat decides to go crazy and climb behind my monitor for some reason, this one is far more likely to get tipped over, though it will probably never happen.

2.The lack of pivot\swivel (so you can point it toward someone next to you) feels pretty obvious when I grab onto it and it just can't go that way.

3. The most noticeable shortcoming of the base (for me) is that it doesn't go down nearly low enough. I have an unusual desk setup (my monitor sits on top of a vintage stereo receiver that I rebuilt) which requires the monitor to be set very low. My BenQ XL2720Z could lower to about 2 1/4 inches from the bottom of the bezel to the desk. The LG only goes to about 3 3/4 inches (when not tilted down), which is a pretty huge difference when talking about minimum height. It will go super high, but I'd have definitely preferred that it just go lower. Again, I know this isn't a common use case, but it is disappointing and kind of makes my setup just look wrong, where the old monitor went down so low it looked perfectly fine. It also doesn't angle downward much to compensate.

4. The ports on the back point straight out rather than down, which is a bit scary. Again... it's unlikely, but if my cat ever goes crazy and decides to scale "Mt. computer desk", the single DP port on this thing is terrifyingly vulnerable. I could get a right angle DP adapter, but the ports are stacked vertically so it will cover both HDMI ports, and there may not even be enough clearance for a cable to be angled that way back there. I have no idea what they were thinking with this design. Wall mounting would likely be a huge pain too... though I have no plans to do that.

Anyway, those are my gripes with it. They are annoying but not deal breakers considering what I paid for this thing. And, of course, if it had a strobing feature that would be nice, but because it isn't there I can just enjoy the monitor for what it does well. I will say, all my games feel like they are buttery smooth thanks to the combination of 240Hz and VRR. Just using the desktop at 240Hz is incredible, and the clarity of moving text\images is surprisingly good despite the lack of strobing. I'm sure this panel isn't technically fast enough to truly show 240fps cleanly, but it looks great to my eyes.

I do notice the dark\light haze at the edges of the display when I look at it, which I'm guessing is "IPS glow" (note, this is not backlight bleed... the backlight is actually very very even and consistent!), but this is FAR less noticeable than the red tint at the edges that my old monitor had due to poor TN viewing angles. Also, the anti-glare coating on the display seems just right and is definitely less grainy\textured than my old BenQ, so that's a nice bonus.

My OLED TV blows any of these monitors out of the water in any area related to picture quality and contrast, but again... this was only $250. I would personally not spend $500+ on an LCD monitor in 2023 after seeing OLED in action, but for what I spent it's a no brainer. At $399 (the current price) you'd definitely need to gauge the value of it based on your own needs, but I have a hard time picturing a monitor being substantially better than this in this price range outside of the ergonomic\stand issues I mentioned before.

So yeah... it's a keeper for me. Might look into a VESA mount stand or something to see if it improves ergonomics, but the display itself is better than I thought it'd be. I hope it is reliable too.

I will keep my XL2720Z just in case I want to use it for things that benefit greatly from strobing (emulation, 2D games, etc.) and I will keep checking in here periodically to see how BFI\strobing is evolving over time. Some day it will be affordable to have all these bells and whistles together, but for now I'll be happy to use such a nice modern display, and even happier that I got it for like $245 after coupons and cash back. :D
Hi, Im new to the forum (made an acc just cause of this post) so sorry in advance if I make a mistake (wrong place to ask, quote etc).

Anyways, I'm looking into buying the LG 27GR83Q and Im interested in your opinion after 1 year of use. Pretty much living in a 3rd world country where with a premium price on all tech I kinda narrowed down my search to this panel.
How's the eyestrain, any headache issues, any issues with the monitor itself?
I haven't had any real issues with it. Back in the spring I built myself a new desk and mounted the monitor to an arm and that took care of the ergonomic issues.

The only two problems with the monitor at this point:
1. When I do anything that involves the screen being dark, like dark areas in a game or video mainly, the IPS glow drives me bonkers... but do not take that out of context. I have always used either a CRT or a TN panel on my main PC prior to this, I have an OLED TV and I have used OLED screens on my phones for many years. So I am just not used to IPS glow at all. The glow on the 27GR83Q is probably no worse than other IPS-type displays... I just really dislike what it does to dark scenes. That said, all displays have trade-offs, and this was one I was forced to make in order to get better color reproduction. Perhaps a VA panel wouldn't have the glow issues, but they tend to have several others...

2. The lack of backlight strobing is still noticeable. I recently found a couple of situations were I was having more trouble tracking very fast 360-degree movements in games, which is unusual for me. It could just be that I'm out of practice, or it could be that I wasn't handling the motion blur I hadn't experienced in over 7 years (with the XL2720Z). Also, I really miss strobing for emulation. This is really where it makes the biggest difference in my opinion, because you cannot just add more frames to reduce image persistence. I do wish I had strobing to improve clarity when scrolling web pages, but running at 240Hz vs 120Hz helps quite a bit so it hasn't bothered me too much.

All in all, I'm still happy with it. Only you know what your priorities and sensitivities are, so I can't say whether I recommend it to you personally at a high price... but overall I've been satisfied and it was worth the $250 I spent on it. I don't believe it has dropped that low in the US since then though, and it is probably a lot more than that in other places. I have no other IPS "gaming" monitors to compare it to, so perhaps something that costs a lot less in your market would perform good enough for your needs.

Re: Any no-compromises upgrade from BenQ XL2720Z in 2023?

Posted: 22 Sep 2024, 07:27
by neuvil
Thank you very much for your input! Out of all I looked up, watched reviews etc. this one is kinda the one I can buy at my location for 310€. For example, I was looking also at the AOC Q27G3XMN, but it costs 400€+.
But comming from an old 24” Benq GL2460, and finaly deciding to indulge myself into upgrading my whole setup, I doubt the LG wouldnt be a satisfying purchase.

Re: Any no-compromises upgrade from BenQ XL2720Z in 2023?

Posted: 22 Sep 2024, 23:44
by Ozzuneoj
neuvil wrote:
22 Sep 2024, 07:27
Thank you very much for your input! Out of all I looked up, watched reviews etc. this one is kinda the one I can buy at my location for 310€. For example, I was looking also at the AOC Q27G3XMN, but it costs 400€+.
But comming from an old 24” Benq GL2460, and finaly deciding to indulge myself into upgrading my whole setup, I doubt the LG wouldnt be a satisfying purchase.
Oh, absolutely, there should be a massive difference between the two. The IPS glow will probably still be noticeable in dark areas (especially slightly off-angle) since that just isn't a thing with TN panels, but you will see a massive improvement in every other aspect. That seems like a fair price too.

Re: Any no-compromises upgrade from BenQ XL2720Z in 2023?

Posted: 23 Sep 2024, 06:11
by kyube
neuvil wrote:
22 Sep 2024, 07:27
Thank you very much for your input! Out of all I looked up, watched reviews etc. this one is kinda the one I can buy at my location for 310€. For example, I was looking also at the AOC Q27G3XMN, but it costs 400€+.
But comming from an old 24” Benq GL2460, and finaly deciding to indulge myself into upgrading my whole setup, I doubt the LG wouldnt be a satisfying purchase.
Avoid any 27" QHD >200hz IPS that isn't the PG27AQNR.
AVOID THAT AOC LIKE THE PLAGUE.
Sub-240hz in 2024 is not worth it, considering how cheap QHD 240hz is right now.
Go for the TItan Army P2510S (PPI makes it worth it, 24" QHD 240hz) or INNOCN 27G1S (VA), if you can find the latter.
With the arrival of OLED and higher refresh rates, LCD is falling behind in terms of G2G.
One of the few things which LCD still has an upper hand on is PPI, which people forget very often.