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speancer wrote: ↑

02 Sep 2020, 08:29

Binder87 wrote: ↑

02 Sep 2020, 03:34

I tried to activate amb but the monitor gets too dimm for my taste....i play comp csgo, and fine attention to details (in terms of noticing enemies) is more important than anything else (picture quality wise). That's why i use brightness and contrast at really high level, way above whats usable for anything else on that monitor like web browsing etc, so unfortunately i cant really use abm. I don't find the motion blur a limiting factor while playing , so im ok with it.

You might find it limiting once you've used a monitor that does a better job in motion handling. I recently tested MAG251RX and Zowie XL2546, and from my latest testing the Zowie one is noticeably better in terms of motion handling. After I played a few days on XL2546 and then switched back to MAG251RX, it looked significantly less clear and more blurry to the level I just returned it and, for now, kept the XL2546. Also, Zowie monitors have very good motion blur reduction technology called DyAc, with manageable crosstalk and no brightness impact. I personally don't use it, because it doesn't help if you use fixed-gaze (stare-at-crosshair-only) aiming technique, but in eye tracking situations (out-of-crosshair) it's helpful. XL2546 is also a lot better in terms of ergonomics.

Also, BenQ Zowie is about to announce their new flagship e-sports monitor this month apparently, so I'm also curious about their new offering.

tecz0r wrote: ↑

03 Sep 2020, 04:59

Thanks for mentioning this, I play very competitive Call of Duty and my eye gaze is always wondering around the crosshair looking for the enemy. I've been using the MSI currently and although the Anti-Blur is nice, the fact that you lose more than half your brightness has been a real pain in the ass. I've absolutely lost enemy positions and lost gun fights because of this.

I know you didn't use the DyAc+ with the S series that just got discontinued, but do you think it will add monitor lag with it turned on? My RTX2080Ti can generally pull about 210FPS while playing ideally, I need the best antiblur motion whilst keeping input lag at close to 0 as possible.

axaro1 wrote: ↑

03 Sep 2020, 05:27

If the fps are lower than refresh rate(and strobe rate) you'll get multiple image doubling, both with MSI's MBR and with Dyac.

tecz0r wrote: ↑

03 Sep 2020, 04:59

speancer wrote: ↑

02 Sep 2020, 08:29

Binder87 wrote: ↑

02 Sep 2020, 03:34

I tried to activate amb but the monitor gets too dimm for my taste....i play comp csgo, and fine attention to details (in terms of noticing enemies) is more important than anything else (picture quality wise). That's why i use brightness and contrast at really high level, way above whats usable for anything else on that monitor like web browsing etc, so unfortunately i cant really use abm. I don't find the motion blur a limiting factor while playing , so im ok with it.

You might find it limiting once you've used a monitor that does a better job in motion handling. I recently tested MAG251RX and Zowie XL2546, and from my latest testing the Zowie one is noticeably better in terms of motion handling. After I played a few days on XL2546 and then switched back to MAG251RX, it looked significantly less clear and more blurry to the level I just returned it and, for now, kept the XL2546. Also, Zowie monitors have very good motion blur reduction technology called DyAc, with manageable crosstalk and no brightness impact. I personally don't use it, because it doesn't help if you use fixed-gaze (stare-at-crosshair-only) aiming technique, but in eye tracking situations (out-of-crosshair) it's helpful. XL2546 is also a lot better in terms of ergonomics.

Also, BenQ Zowie is about to announce their new flagship e-sports monitor this month apparently, so I'm also curious about their new offering.

Thanks for mentioning this, I play very competitive Call of Duty and my eye gaze is always wondering around the crosshair looking for the enemy. I've been using the MSI currently and although the Anti-Blur is nice, the fact that you lose more than half your brightness has been a real pain in the ass. I've absolutely lost enemy positions and lost gun fights because of this.

I know you didn't use the DyAc+ with the S series that just got discontinued, but do you think it will add monitor lag with it turned on? My RTX2080Ti can generally pull about 210FPS while playing ideally, I need the best antiblur motion whilst keeping input lag at close to 0 as possible.

speancer wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2020, 13:52

About your question, BenQ Zowie claims that DyAc does not add any input lag, however, you might want to check out these threads:

viewtopic.php?t=3478
viewtopic.php?t=3644

DyAc+ input lag is probably so small that you most likely wouldn't be able to tell a difference. I personally can't say I notice any difference with DyAc enabled or disabled in this regard.

Also, if you did not hear it yet, BenQ Zowie XL2546K, the new flagship Zowie e-sports monitor, has been officially announced. It features DyAc+ and Fast Liquid Crystal TN panel, rated for 0.5 ms GtG response time, same as the discontinued "S" version, but it also brings some new changes. Check the link below, if you're interested. I will be testing it on release (October in my country).

https://zowie.benq.com/en/xl-k-series.html

tecz0r wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2020, 15:21

speancer wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2020, 13:52

About your question, BenQ Zowie claims that DyAc does not add any input lag, however, you might want to check out these threads:

viewtopic.php?t=3478
viewtopic.php?t=3644

DyAc+ input lag is probably so small that you most likely wouldn't be able to tell a difference. I personally can't say I notice any difference with DyAc enabled or disabled in this regard.

Also, if you did not hear it yet, BenQ Zowie XL2546K, the new flagship Zowie e-sports monitor, has been officially announced. It features DyAc+ and Fast Liquid Crystal TN panel, rated for 0.5 ms GtG response time, same as the discontinued "S" version, but it also brings some new changes. Check the link below, if you're interested. I will be testing it on release (October in my country).

https://zowie.benq.com/en/xl-k-series.html

Thank you for the information and the heads up to the monitor. Unfortunately its sold out apparently on the BenQ website and I've called them a few times. They're projecting an "end of the month" launch but haven't given a specific date.

tecz0r wrote: ↑

03 Sep 2020, 04:59

speancer wrote: ↑

02 Sep 2020, 08:29

Binder87 wrote: ↑

02 Sep 2020, 03:34

I tried to activate amb but the monitor gets too dimm for my taste....i play comp csgo, and fine attention to details (in terms of noticing enemies) is more important than anything else (picture quality wise). That's why i use brightness and contrast at really high level, way above whats usable for anything else on that monitor like web browsing etc, so unfortunately i cant really use abm. I don't find the motion blur a limiting factor while playing , so im ok with it.

You might find it limiting once you've used a monitor that does a better job in motion handling. I recently tested MAG251RX and Zowie XL2546, and from my latest testing the Zowie one is noticeably better in terms of motion handling. After I played a few days on XL2546 and then switched back to MAG251RX, it looked significantly less clear and more blurry to the level I just returned it and, for now, kept the XL2546. Also, Zowie monitors have very good motion blur reduction technology called DyAc, with manageable crosstalk and no brightness impact. I personally don't use it, because it doesn't help if you use fixed-gaze (stare-at-crosshair-only) aiming technique, but in eye tracking situations (out-of-crosshair) it's helpful. XL2546 is also a lot better in terms of ergonomics.

Also, BenQ Zowie is about to announce their new flagship e-sports monitor this month apparently, so I'm also curious about their new offering.

Thanks for mentioning this, I play very competitive Call of Duty and my eye gaze is always wondering around the crosshair looking for the enemy. I've been using the MSI currently and although the Anti-Blur is nice, the fact that you lose more than half your brightness has been a real pain in the ass. I've absolutely lost enemy positions and lost gun fights because of this.

I know you didn't use the DyAc+ with the S series that just got discontinued, but do you think it will add monitor lag with it turned on? My RTX2080Ti can generally pull about 210FPS while playing ideally, I need the best antiblur motion whilst keeping input lag at close to 0 as possible.

RLCScontender wrote: ↑

05 Sep 2020, 12:51

All the AU Optronics fast IPS monitors that i've owned have intermittent pixel inversion. A vast majority of them however , I cannot see with my naked eye(i have 20/20 vision).

There are pixel inversion artifacts because the company that made these panels know that there's image retention issues. Pixel inversion is a way to mitigate image retention; however, the side effects are intermittent bars(artifacts) that occur depending on the severity of it.


**disclaimer, one specific monitor may be different from another, i only speak for the monitors i've personally owned. I don't have enough data or sample size to for sure conclude that these 100% work on ALL monitors**

There are workarounds to this i can confirm ONE or some of these will work since i speak from experience(although i only speak for the monitors i've personally owned, some panels are slightly different than other. ) . . (i've eradicated Almost every pixel inversion using one or few of these methods

1. CRU method , i put it on 240.000 or 239.778 refresh rate. One of them will trigger pixel inversion more than the other. (i've essentially eradicated pixel inversion on my monitor using this method)

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2. Aspect ratio method. Make sure the aspect ratio isn't on 1:1. Wide 16:9 is what i recommend. On nvidia put it on "no display scaling" (this will reduce input lag as well).

3. Sit further away method. Really, even at 1080p, 24.5 inches is still slightly too big. Visual acuity distance is around 34-38 inches away; however, i find that the pixel inversion artifacts become invisible at around 24-26 inches. I sit 28-34 inches away from my 24.5" monitor and i see ZERO pixel inversion artifacts.

4. Change cables method-->majority of the default DP cables that comes with the monitors i've purchased are pretty bad or its missing some pins or they used low quality components. If you have a DP cable from an older monitor, try to use that one for testing, otherwise DP cables run cheap on most retailers. I prefer you use Dp 1.4 cable

5. Lower the refresh rate then put it back to the max refresh rate method-->A bad stutter will also cause pixel walk to be noticeable. What i do is lower the refresh rate to 60hz, then change it back to 240hz. The scan rate of the scaler if you change the refresh rate will align the pixel walk to make it less noticeable

6. Make sure there aren't any hardware that you own within proximity of your monitor that may cause any form of electrical interference.(especially near your DP cable). A room with bad electronic management will have unnecessary currents running amok.

7. The pixel massage method. Grab a microfiber cloth, use water or any monitor cleaning solution and wipe your monitor in a circular motion. Also, if you see any backlight bleed, wipe them towards the corner to remove the liquid solution inside the monitor. LCD uses liquid crystals

8. Burn method. Grab your monitor and put it outside on the scorching 100 degree heat for 5-10 mins. This will warm up the monitor so when you start it, the pixels of the monitor are ALREADY pre warmed up and NOT relying on the heat when its plugged in. I use this method quite often because the 24.5" au optronics monitors are notorious for having very slow response times the first 30 mins. The pixels when turning my monitor after not using it for a long time, accumulate heat; however, the side effects of this is pixel dance(pixel walk). By burning the monitor outside will ALREADY warm up the pixels without the pixels relying on the energy from the monitor when its plugged in.

9. THE BEST METHOD that i found was using the blurbuster UFO ghosting test. Basically put the UFO test full screen for 10 mins so. Once you exit the screen, the image retention of those WHITE LINES should be visible(especially on a dark background). Once you see that,

Then go on youtube and use this video

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this should either eradicate or mitigate the pixel walk(this worked on most of the 25" monitors)


with my alienware, it has the LCD conditioning feature so i dont' need to do this method. But this method by far is the most successful method. Along with #1 and #8

tld;lr

One or some of these SHOULD work. if not, if i would just Return(RMA) or replace if you have a warranty