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Re: Ram causing desync/input lag

Posted: 31 Aug 2023, 13:14
by whatdahek
By the way sometimes disabling spread spectrum works and sometimes it doesn't.

I can literally tell before I join the game by the feeling of my mouse if it's gonna be playable or not.

Re: Ram causing desync/input lag

Posted: 31 Aug 2023, 15:12
by TheKelz
whatdahek wrote:
31 Aug 2023, 12:18
TheKelz wrote:
31 Aug 2023, 11:41
whatdahek wrote:
31 Aug 2023, 10:23
imprecise wrote:
31 Aug 2023, 05:25
There is a device in Windows:
image_2023-08-31_032233982.png

Here's a short overview video on HPET. The speaker emphasizes Intel in the video but I know from experience AMD is just as bad or worse with this setting enabled, and AMD has acknowledged HPET decreases performance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBsbAtchZcg

I've read the BIOS setting doesn't matter, but there may be a way to access hidden BIOS settings on your motherboard if you look it up.
I'll retry disabling hpet but it honestly makes no difference for me 99% of the time.
When the problem occurs the game even feels choppy, like it's stuttering.
I just don't get why it occurs randomly.
Some generic advices:

1. Uninstall Geforce Experience if you have it
2. If your monitor is FreeSync/Gsync, turn VSync on for games you play and limit 6 FPS lower than your refresh rate
3. Don't use RTSS as a frame limiter. Use something like Nvidia Frame Limiter instead
1. I don't have it.
2. Does not help/makes things worse.

Thank you tho, every idea helps.
What are your VCCIO and VCCSA voltages?

Re: Ram causing desync/input lag

Posted: 31 Aug 2023, 15:24
by whatdahek
TheKelz wrote:
31 Aug 2023, 15:12
whatdahek wrote:
31 Aug 2023, 12:18
TheKelz wrote:
31 Aug 2023, 11:41
whatdahek wrote:
31 Aug 2023, 10:23


I'll retry disabling hpet but it honestly makes no difference for me 99% of the time.
When the problem occurs the game even feels choppy, like it's stuttering.
I just don't get why it occurs randomly.
Some generic advices:

1. Uninstall Geforce Experience if you have it
2. If your monitor is FreeSync/Gsync, turn VSync on for games you play and limit 6 FPS lower than your refresh rate
3. Don't use RTSS as a frame limiter. Use something like Nvidia Frame Limiter instead
1. I don't have it.
2. Does not help/makes things worse.

Thank you tho, every idea helps.
What are your VCCIO and VCCSA voltages?
I can't find these anywhere, do they have a different name for me ?

Re: Ram causing desync/input lag

Posted: 31 Aug 2023, 16:44
by TheKelz
whatdahek wrote:
31 Aug 2023, 15:24
TheKelz wrote:
31 Aug 2023, 15:12
whatdahek wrote:
31 Aug 2023, 12:18
TheKelz wrote:
31 Aug 2023, 11:41


Some generic advices:

1. Uninstall Geforce Experience if you have it
2. If your monitor is FreeSync/Gsync, turn VSync on for games you play and limit 6 FPS lower than your refresh rate
3. Don't use RTSS as a frame limiter. Use something like Nvidia Frame Limiter instead
1. I don't have it.
2. Does not help/makes things worse.

Thank you tho, every idea helps.
What are your VCCIO and VCCSA voltages?
I can't find these anywhere, do they have a different name for me ?
Oh, wait, you have an AMD system. Didn't think that through. They're probably called something else in your BIOS, but at this point I don't even know if those voltages matter for you. For Intel, there are VCCIO (CPU Memory Controller) and VCCSA (System Agent) and their voltages need to be high enough depending on the sticks you have. Lower voltages can create instabilities, so I thought maybe there is something similar going on for you, but I'm not sure.

Re: Ram causing desync/input lag

Posted: 31 Aug 2023, 16:46
by ptuga
It does affect aim a bit but nothing major. Never had desync or anything like that unless it's unstable. If it's unstable it can feel like thrash, either cpu or ram.

On my current system. Jedec feels good, xmp (3200c14) feels worse, tuned feels best.
13700k
2x16gb 4200mhz 16-16-16 1.5v gear 1. tuned secondaries and tertiary timings.

Re: Ram causing desync/input lag

Posted: 31 Aug 2023, 16:58
by whatdahek
ptuga wrote:
31 Aug 2023, 16:46
It does affect aim a bit but nothing major. Never had desync or anything like that unless it's unstable.

On my current system. Jedec feels good, xmp (3200c14) feels worse, tuned feels best.
13700k
2x16gb 4200mhz 16-16-16 1.5v gear 1. tuned secondaries and tertiary timings.
Pc can go from smooth and mouse light/precise to stuttery and mouse feeling heavy from a game to another it literally drives me crazy.
It's literally unplayable when the problem kicks in. And when everything is fine it feels like I'm smurfing.

Re: Ram causing desync/input lag

Posted: 31 Aug 2023, 17:10
by whatdahek
TheKelz wrote:
31 Aug 2023, 16:44
whatdahek wrote:
31 Aug 2023, 15:24
TheKelz wrote:
31 Aug 2023, 15:12
whatdahek wrote:
31 Aug 2023, 12:18


1. I don't have it.
2. Does not help/makes things worse.

Thank you tho, every idea helps.
What are your VCCIO and VCCSA voltages?
I can't find these anywhere, do they have a different name for me ?
Oh, wait, you have an AMD system. Didn't think that through. They're probably called something else in your BIOS, but at this point I don't even know if those voltages matter for you. For Intel, there are VCCIO (CPU Memory Controller) and VCCSA (System Agent) and their voltages need to be high enough depending on the sticks you have. Lower voltages can create instabilities, so I thought maybe there is something similar going on for you, but I'm not sure.
I'm sadly not familiar with bios opts, I don't touch ram/cpu voltages in bios so it's hard for me to fix it on my own if there is something related to that.

Re: Ram causing desync/input lag

Posted: 06 Sep 2023, 08:26
by whatdahek
So after more experimenting I've fixed the input lag/heavy mouse issues by a lot.
I also ended up putting my cables/power strip higher than the floor on a wooden box and it also helped.
Don't know why but it did.
Now every time mouse becomes heavy I just move the power cables a bit and it gets fixed?

What could cause that and is there a way I can make it consistent and not have to move them around constantly ?

Re: Ram causing desync/input lag

Posted: 06 Sep 2023, 09:19
by delve
whatdahek wrote:
06 Sep 2023, 08:26
So after more experimenting I've fixed the input lag/heavy mouse issues by a lot.
I also ended up putting my cables/power strip higher than the floor on a wooden box and it also helped.
Don't know why but it did.
Now every time mouse becomes heavy I just move the power cables a bit and it gets fixed?

What could cause that and is there a way I can make it consistent and not have to move them around constantly ?
go to the emi section, it is clear you have it.

Re: Ram causing desync/input lag

Posted: 15 Nov 2023, 22:59
by amorou
whatdahek wrote:
31 Aug 2023, 13:14
By the way sometimes disabling spread spectrum works and sometimes it doesn't.

I can literally tell before I join the game by the feeling of my mouse if it's gonna be playable or not.
Yeap me too , same shit for years