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Posted: **27 Oct 2025, 01:43**

donger wrote: ↑
26 Oct 2025, 15:40
i have zero inputlag on 5800x3d and half of the streamers use 9800x3d and they have zero problems, don't buy shitty intel in 2025.

1) streaming what
2) what's your sample size
3) what is your and the streamers' mobos

If you can't answer these questions then it's hard to treat your statement as anything but anecdotal.

Plenty of people today probably play esports titles on something like an IPS panel and leave settings on default which usually leaves them with around +5ms input lag. And then I can assure you that 80% of them won't consider that being a massive gap because they never had experience of 1-2ms vs 5ms. Literally even my decade old TN panel on the lowest OD settings is nothing like highest OD. Ofc other panel tech exists but what I said just now is enough to make my point.

And also don't forget that we had decades of console gamers on tvs who have gotten used to +10ms of tv input lag if not higher, it doesn't mean that suddenly it should nullify what is being discussed here: "I'm okay with my xbox, why is this guy suddenly saying something against I like?" - Good for you. You enjoy that.

Just understand why I'm being rhetorical here, you've made two statements which none of them provide any useful information, such as: 'zero latency' or 'don't buy shitty intel in 2025'

Posted: **28 Oct 2025, 08:52**

Read only since 2024.Latest posts forced me to reg and share my exp about 9800x3d.
Not an Native speaker,wall of text ahead y v been warned.
I was using 13700k+ddr4+5070 mainly playing OW2.Zero issues, frametimes stable,no latency,lag or whatsoever.
After 480hz oled purchase,decided to buy 9800x3d.
Heard about Amd dip ,bad x3d 0.1 lows,microstatters and thought it just user error,bad setting etc .Cmon its almost 2026 whats just could go wrong.
But still spent 1 week chosing decent Mb+ram combo using AM5 MB sheet avoiding alc 4080 codec.
Boght 9800x3d+B850Aorus Elite wifi7(6 layers)+6000cl30 team group.
Setup Bios pb0 200 + x10 -15 Expo cl 30,disabled secured Bios,all securites,Tpm,spead spec etс.
Installed fresh Win 10 21h2 ltsc and damn,even in explorer i feel sluggishness.I dont feel 480 crispness anymore.Changed scaling mode to gpu + core affinity still not even close at intel.Played some games in Ow 2 Qp -get microstutters choppy framerate.CapFrame X shown huge frame time instability and horible 0.1 lows.
Tried:
All mobo bios ver.
Stock set.
Mainly:
Fixed overclock,stock,Pbo all freq,scallar etc.
Memory stock,All expo,Mainly,1:1 1:2 Fclk 2000-2067,Dif voltges etc.
C-states (on/off),Prefetcher set,Svm,iommu,df states etc etc
Even used scewin to tweak some hidden set.
win 10 21h2-22h2 ltsc-max,win 11 23h2-24 all orig iso.
All power profiles,chipset drivers and etc etc etc.
Abs same horib 0.1 lows and framespikes.
Thought mb its chipset or mb,but no,tons of post on reddit,youtube, about microstuters and 0.1 lows dif mobo,cpu,etc.
So i decided switch back to intel and sell Amd on second hand site with mark " i wont impressed by X3d ".And y know that?3 man Pm me and asked whats wrong with x3d,and they have abs same issue like " My 13600kf was smother than 7950x3d,9800x3d microstutering,7800x3d latency worse than my 14700kf.
I suggest all this problems caused by x3d archeticrure and most people not sensitive to it.

Posted: **29 Oct 2025, 02:30**

Adeptstal wrote: ↑
28 Oct 2025, 08:52
I suggest all this problems caused by x3d archeticrure and most people not sensitive to it.

It may be the case that whatever happens on the core is fast, like cache n such, but as soon as you have to leave to infinity fabric, maybe the combination of poor engineering choices on multiple system levels lead to a disastrous experience.

Realistically even if there is a massive speed/latency discrepancy in the architecture that alone shouldn't be enough to make hardware stuttery. Either electrical architecture is inherently unstable or the low level instruction design is a buggy mess which doesn't behave gracefully with os schedulers.

Who knows, maybe in reality for a stable x3d experience you need even higher roundtrip latency for fabric + core to have a tigher sync across these sections of the chip but maybe you have amd teams that pump out different results or those said teams work on one piece of the architecture at a time leaving the rest as is without a care in the world. Eitherway it's quite a degen way of designing anything. And this is quite ironic. Every time I give amd a chance they f*** something up. Takes me back to r9 290x with crossfire days. What a disgusting hack that card was.

Posted: **29 Oct 2025, 07:59**

Adeptstal wrote: ↑
28 Oct 2025, 08:52
Read only since 2024.Latest posts forced me to reg and share my exp about 9800x3d.
Not an Native speaker,wall of text ahead y v been warned.
I was using 13700k+ddr4+5070 mainly playing OW2.Zero issues, frametimes stable,no latency,lag or whatsoever.
After 480hz oled purchase,decided to buy 9800x3d.
Heard about Amd dip ,bad x3d 0.1 lows,microstatters and thought it just user error,bad setting etc .Cmon its almost 2026 whats just could go wrong.
But still spent 1 week chosing decent Mb+ram combo using AM5 MB sheet avoiding alc 4080 codec.
Boght 9800x3d+B850Aorus Elite wifi7(6 layers)+6000cl30 team group.
Setup Bios pb0 200 + x10 -15 Expo cl 30,disabled secured Bios,all securites,Tpm,spead spec etс.
Installed fresh Win 10 21h2 ltsc and damn,even in explorer i feel sluggishness.I dont feel 480 crispness anymore.Changed scaling mode to gpu + core affinity still not even close at intel.Played some games in Ow 2 Qp -get microstutters choppy framerate.CapFrame X shown huge frame time instability and horible 0.1 lows.
Tried:
All mobo bios ver.
Stock set.
Mainly:
Fixed overclock,stock,Pbo all freq,scallar etc.
Memory stock,All expo,Mainly,1:1 1:2 Fclk 2000-2067,Dif voltges etc.
C-states (on/off),Prefetcher set,Svm,iommu,df states etc etc
Even used scewin to tweak some hidden set.
win 10 21h2-22h2 ltsc-max,win 11 23h2-24 all orig iso.
All power profiles,chipset drivers and etc etc etc.
Abs same horib 0.1 lows and framespikes.
Thought mb its chipset or mb,but no,tons of post on reddit,youtube, about microstuters and 0.1 lows dif mobo,cpu,etc.
So i decided switch back to intel and sell Amd on second hand site with mark " i wont impressed by X3d ".And y know that?3 man Pm me and asked whats wrong with x3d,and they have abs same issue like " My 13600kf was smother than 7950x3d,9800x3d microstutering,7800x3d latency worse than my 14700kf.
I suggest all this problems caused by x3d archeticrure and most people not sensitive to it.

I have the exact same problem.
I used to have an Intel i7-13700K with an RTX 3070. The FPS wasn’t as good as with my AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D, but damn, it felt so smooth back then.
Ever since I switched to the AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D, I’ve had issues getting good gameplay — I even bought a 400Hz BenQ XL2566X+ monitor (upgraded from 240Hz) hoping it would help, but nope.
I feel like I’ve tried everything in BIOS, Windows, etc.
Now I’ve put my PC up for sale so I can go back to Intel.

Posted: **01 Nov 2025, 22:54**

Lucasged wrote: ↑
29 Oct 2025, 07:59

Adeptstal wrote: ↑
28 Oct 2025, 08:52
Read only since 2024.Latest posts forced me to reg and share my exp about 9800x3d.
Not an Native speaker,wall of text ahead y v been warned.
I was using 13700k+ddr4+5070 mainly playing OW2.Zero issues, frametimes stable,no latency,lag or whatsoever.
After 480hz oled purchase,decided to buy 9800x3d.
Heard about Amd dip ,bad x3d 0.1 lows,microstatters and thought it just user error,bad setting etc .Cmon its almost 2026 whats just could go wrong.
But still spent 1 week chosing decent Mb+ram combo using AM5 MB sheet avoiding alc 4080 codec.
Boght 9800x3d+B850Aorus Elite wifi7(6 layers)+6000cl30 team group.
Setup Bios pb0 200 + x10 -15 Expo cl 30,disabled secured Bios,all securites,Tpm,spead spec etс.
Installed fresh Win 10 21h2 ltsc and damn,even in explorer i feel sluggishness.I dont feel 480 crispness anymore.Changed scaling mode to gpu + core affinity still not even close at intel.Played some games in Ow 2 Qp -get microstutters choppy framerate.CapFrame X shown huge frame time instability and horible 0.1 lows.
Tried:
All mobo bios ver.
Stock set.
Mainly:
Fixed overclock,stock,Pbo all freq,scallar etc.
Memory stock,All expo,Mainly,1:1 1:2 Fclk 2000-2067,Dif voltges etc.
C-states (on/off),Prefetcher set,Svm,iommu,df states etc etc
Even used scewin to tweak some hidden set.
win 10 21h2-22h2 ltsc-max,win 11 23h2-24 all orig iso.
All power profiles,chipset drivers and etc etc etc.
Abs same horib 0.1 lows and framespikes.
Thought mb its chipset or mb,but no,tons of post on reddit,youtube, about microstuters and 0.1 lows dif mobo,cpu,etc.
So i decided switch back to intel and sell Amd on second hand site with mark " i wont impressed by X3d ".And y know that?3 man Pm me and asked whats wrong with x3d,and they have abs same issue like " My 13600kf was smother than 7950x3d,9800x3d microstutering,7800x3d latency worse than my 14700kf.
I suggest all this problems caused by x3d archeticrure and most people not sensitive to it.
I have the exact same problem.
I used to have an Intel i7-13700K with an RTX 3070. The FPS wasn’t as good as with my AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D, but damn, it felt so smooth back then.
Ever since I switched to the AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D, I’ve had issues getting good gameplay — I even bought a 400Hz BenQ XL2566X+ monitor (upgraded from 240Hz) hoping it would help, but nope.
I feel like I’ve tried everything in BIOS, Windows, etc.
Now I’ve put my PC up for sale so I can go back to Intel.

What mobo?

Posted: **04 Nov 2025, 10:27**

Coming back with updates, just tried a setup with m.2 riser to pci + via 805. omg. I can definitely feel the difference even between the usb2 cpu port. About 2ms+ less I think. At the same time it just feels more consistent. Idk why. I'm gonna get a photo sensor to really measure it and make sure it's not a placebo but so far I do think there is a certain difference. In the compositor I can tell that everything is much tighter and like timings wise just on point. Same goes for the games.

idk how I would measure consistency though... As I think there are even more gains in that than just latency. It just feels like it's back closer to what I had on my intel systems.

It might really be something to do with a bunch of amd mobos and usb implementations I have no clue. But I'm definitely feeling that i'm getting much more consistent clocking in the chain or something and overall lower latency.

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