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daviddave1 wrote: ↑

22 Sep 2024, 03:35

The 480hz Asus 1440p is more blurry then the xl2586x thats just how it is..
The xl2586x also has very good colors for a tn panel, gets very bright with Dyac2, sharpener and black equalizer is very good; It all just works extremely well to create a contrast between the enemy and its surroundings.

Plus you can adjust every single color there is.
Example: You know the ultimate of Pathfinder from Apex Legends where everything becomes black and white except the enemy; they become red so you can spot them extremely well? You can literally do that with this monitor in games where the enemies are a single color. If the enemies colors are diverse like in Pubg they still pop if you crank the colors etc. ( see tgtln settings of his zowie monitor)

This monitor is made to create a CONTRAST between the enemy and it's surroundings as fast as possible. THATS IT. Every single option this monitor has is made with that purpose in mind.

OLED is made to get a beautiful experience that has fast responsetimes. But what use is that if the enemy can hide in its surroundings including its own blurriness?
Battleroyal games like Pubg are about visibility first.

The only monitor that's maybe worth getting over the xl2586x for competitive purpose is the pg27aqnr; the first monitor with G-SYNC Pulsar tech. But it's not out yet.

EDIT:
If you would ask the Zowie monitor: " Would u make the image unrealistic, cartoony, weird or just straight up ugly if you could make more contrast between the enemy and its surroundings? " The answer would be : "Yes withouth a doubt." ( keep in mind the xl2586x has a very nice image for a tn. unprecedented)
The answer of the OLED would be: "Uhm im a OLED im here to make the game look like the maker indented it to be with very fast response times, so: No, not really"

The OLED is not blurrier than LCD.
I'm not sure which images you've found for you to claim this, but the OLED is vastly clearer.
Most of the reviews are ignorant of what makes up a good UFO pursuit shot, hence you can't compare it.
I've yet to see a proper UFO done on it (optimumtech "tests" are a joke, HUB/MUB, TFTCentral UFOs are all invalid due to lack of tracks and the rest use a copy-pasted static image - rightout lying about it's motion performance)
You can only use Discorz' emulation of how 0ms G2G at 480hz (~2ms MPRT) looks like, depending on different pps
Visibility is enhanced due to higher PPI as well and much higher contrast ratio too.
The fact you've stated "very good colors for a TN" clearly emphasize the levels of cope you're on.
OLED is the go-to tech in that price bracket and LCD should never be considered.

Only reason one might consider LCD is if you want to play around with VRR / Adaptive Sync, the RGB subpixel layout and no flicker (no brightness scanout dip)

kyube wrote: ↑

23 Sep 2024, 06:47

daviddave1 wrote: ↑

22 Sep 2024, 03:35

The 480hz Asus 1440p is more blurry then the xl2586x thats just how it is..
The xl2586x also has very good colors for a tn panel, gets very bright with Dyac2, sharpener and black equalizer is very good; It all just works extremely well to create a contrast between the enemy and its surroundings.

Plus you can adjust every single color there is.
Example: You know the ultimate of Pathfinder from Apex Legends where everything becomes black and white except the enemy; they become red so you can spot them extremely well? You can literally do that with this monitor in games where the enemies are a single color. If the enemies colors are diverse like in Pubg they still pop if you crank the colors etc. ( see tgtln settings of his zowie monitor)

This monitor is made to create a CONTRAST between the enemy and it's surroundings as fast as possible. THATS IT. Every single option this monitor has is made with that purpose in mind.

OLED is made to get a beautiful experience that has fast responsetimes. But what use is that if the enemy can hide in its surroundings including its own blurriness?
Battleroyal games like Pubg are about visibility first.

The only monitor that's maybe worth getting over the xl2586x for competitive purpose is the pg27aqnr; the first monitor with G-SYNC Pulsar tech. But it's not out yet.

EDIT:
If you would ask the Zowie monitor: " Would u make the image unrealistic, cartoony, weird or just straight up ugly if you could make more contrast between the enemy and its surroundings? " The answer would be : "Yes withouth a doubt." ( keep in mind the xl2586x has a very nice image for a tn. unprecedented)
The answer of the OLED would be: "Uhm im a OLED im here to make the game look like the maker indented it to be with very fast response times, so: No, not really"

The OLED is not blurrier than LCD.
I'm not sure which images you've found for you to claim this, but the OLED is vastly clearer.
Most of the reviews are ignorant of what makes up a good UFO pursuit shot, hence you can't compare it.
I've yet to see a proper UFO done on it (optimumtech "tests" are a joke, HUB/MUB, TFTCentral UFOs are all invalid due to lack of tracks and the rest use a copy-pasted static image - rightout lying about it's motion performance)
You can only use Discorz' emulation of how 0ms G2G at 480hz (~2ms MPRT) looks like, depending on different pps
Visibility is enhanced due to higher PPI as well and much higher contrast ratio too.
The fact you've stated "very good colors for a TN" clearly emphasize the levels of cope you're on.
OLED is the go-to tech in that price bracket and LCD should never be considered.

Only reason one might consider LCD is if you want to play around with VRR / Adaptive Sync, the RGB subpixel layout and no flicker (no brightness scanout dip)

OLED 480hz is more blurry. Source blurbuster itself. https://x.com/BlurBusters/status/181218 ... 13/photo/1

shows that 480hz is pretty blurry ( the white dots on the ufo are 1 big blur) compared to strobe-based blur reduction

daviddave1 wrote: ↑

23 Sep 2024, 12:00

OLED 480hz is more blurry. Source blurbuster itself. https://x.com/BlurBusters/status/181218 ... 13/photo/1

shows that 480hz is pretty blurry ( the white dots on the ufo are 1 big blur) compared to strobe-based blur reduction

You're using a theoretical simulation to evaluate whether one display is better than the other, bravo.
Clear ignorance at display.
[Moderation -- personal attack rule violation]

Have you looked at testufo's of each, side-by-side, both on sample & hold (which I was referencing the entire time?)
OLED is night & day sharper, there's no contest.

If you wanna factor in strobing as a way to boost absolute motion clarity (apples to oranges comparison), there are a multitude of pitfalls which don't support the arguement:
1.) The FPS needed to sync the game with the refresh rate is monstrous (fps = hz needed for clear strobing)
Even if you use a lower setting (360fps @ 360hz), the bottom point still applies
Sample & hold doesn't suffer from this, just cap fps to a multiple of refresh rate to avoid jitter and it's fine.
2.) Strobed monitors have clear crosstalk at highest setting, which is off-putting. Zowie is no exception.
Even if one applies the refresh rate headroom trick on the XL2586X, you're still limited in by lack of adjustments.
3.) Stroboscopic effect is a major issue with the strobed-based motion blur reduction path, only brute-forcing refresh rate with low G2G can reduce it.
4.) Flicker is an potential eyestrain concern, even at 360-540hz.
5.) Added input lag (+ Zowie's notoriously have higher processing delay over other monitors) (this is also without going into absolute input lag, to be specific: OLED's each transition is sub 1ms vs TN's barely 40% compliance meaning the total input lag is not uniform compared to OLED)

Strobing, in my opnion, is only useful for 60-200hz and only on monitors where you can tune brightness, duty cycle, OD (such as the XL2566K and XG2431), both of which are much cheaper than spending $1k on (almost dead) technology such as TN LCD's.

Don't get me wrong, I think the XL2586X is probably one of the better E-TN's on the market (compared to PG248QP and XV242F) due to using a QD backlight as opposed to KSF
The E-TN panel is the fastest LCD panel on the market right now, yes
But, the XL2586X is just way too overpriced for what it offers (compared to OLED) and too locked down to make use of the panel speed with strobing.

Claiming OLED is "blurrier" than XL2586X is a misleading statement, especially without any real-life proof.

kyube wrote: ↑

23 Sep 2024, 12:31

daviddave1 wrote: ↑

23 Sep 2024, 12:00

OLED 480hz is more blurry. Source blurbuster itself. https://x.com/BlurBusters/status/181218 ... 13/photo/1

shows that 480hz is pretty blurry ( the white dots on the ufo are 1 big blur) compared to strobe-based blur reduction

You're using a theoretical simulation to evaluate whether one display is better than the other, bravo.
Clear ignorance at display.

I stopped reading there. @chief can u please explain rule nr1 to kyube? tnx.

daviddave1 wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2024, 12:59

gab848 wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2024, 18:55

daviddave1 wrote: ↑

11 Aug 2024, 16:59

Whiz wrote: ↑

10 Aug 2024, 07:44

A little follow-up question, since i saw that you had the 271QRX before as well...
I am right now basically trying to find pros/cons to make a final decision between either getting zowie's 540Hz 1080p TN or the 271QRX ...with better resolution, OLED and 360Hz.
Could you give me some personal insight of your experience with these 2 monitors, since you seem to share the same competitive games/interest.

OLED is blurry compared to a backlightstrobed tn panel. Sure OLED looks very submerging and takes you to a other place. But what use is submersion if your vision is a bit blurry when u track a enemy? You have to ask yourself what in videogames is getting you a rush; submersion in the game itself or submersion in the dopamine of getting a frag and winning the game? If it's the latter get the xl2586x. The xl2586x is insane. Makes you feel like a bloodhound that sniffs out Everything

I wanted to ask whether it was possible to do custom resolutions on the Zowie XL2586x at 540Hz? How is it compared to the Asus PG248QP 540Hz? Does the Zowie run at 540Hz without having to use the OC setting in the OSD? Since you've had both of them could you give me some of your own input and opinions please? And finally is it worth upgrading from the Asus PG248QP to the Zowie XL2586x? Is the difference worth it? Thank you kindly brother!

Custom res on the zowie is not possible on 540hz. On 500 it is. Some dudes tested in cru that dcs is off on the 500hz mode hdmi 2.1. Zowie did not made a official statement about this though. I don't know why they hesitant about this. Guess they find people who are critical on dsc conspiracy nuts.

Yes it's worth upgrading from the PG248QP to the xl2586x. the Zowie has a sharpness slider that makes the image look way sharper then the Asus without any input lag. I like this feature a loth.

The brightness is much better on the Zowie with DYAC2 then the ASUS with ULMB2. This is a huge plus. I call it the A+ of this monitor ( DYAC2 is also fullscreen, not just the middle LIKE ULMB2). plus a vibrance slider that is really good as always on a Zowie but now the colors are better cause of the panel and now u can advance define each color there is this a HUGE plus also imo. the black equalizer is very good also,even better then before cause this monitor gets way brighter then the xl2566k producing more contrast in dark areas.

So, there is no workaround to get custom resolution on 540Hz? Even while using older NVIDIA Drivers like on the Asus ROG Swift Pro PG248QP? Is the 540Hz an overclock on the Zowie? As in do you have to choose it on the OSD to enable it like on the Asus? And lastly do you have any idea what the difference is between the new Zowie XL2566X+ (400Hz Model successor to the highly acclaimed XL2566K 360Hz) compared to the XL2586X? They seem to advertise it as a newer TN Panel than the previous X models. I was wondering what the input lag/response times are on it compared to the 540Hz and how they differ. Thanks buddy.

+1

To above question,
I would also like to know the real world performance difference between the xl2566X+ vs the xl2586X.

Which one has better motion clarity, I assume the 540hz version does?

Which one has better colors/image?

Which is better overall for the competitive edge?
I would assume the 540hz version purely because of the higher refresh rate, but I wonder if that extra 140Hz actually translates to real noticeable performance. Seeing as the xl5466X+ is the newer model, I was hoping it was more advanced in some aspect for the competitive gamer even the it has lower refresh rate.

gab848 wrote: ↑

24 Sep 2024, 20:33

daviddave1 wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2024, 12:59

gab848 wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2024, 18:55

daviddave1 wrote: ↑

11 Aug 2024, 16:59

OLED is blurry compared to a backlightstrobed tn panel. Sure OLED looks very submerging and takes you to a other place. But what use is submersion if your vision is a bit blurry when u track a enemy? You have to ask yourself what in videogames is getting you a rush; submersion in the game itself or submersion in the dopamine of getting a frag and winning the game? If it's the latter get the xl2586x. The xl2586x is insane. Makes you feel like a bloodhound that sniffs out Everything

I wanted to ask whether it was possible to do custom resolutions on the Zowie XL2586x at 540Hz? How is it compared to the Asus PG248QP 540Hz? Does the Zowie run at 540Hz without having to use the OC setting in the OSD? Since you've had both of them could you give me some of your own input and opinions please? And finally is it worth upgrading from the Asus PG248QP to the Zowie XL2586x? Is the difference worth it? Thank you kindly brother!

Custom res on the zowie is not possible on 540hz. On 500 it is. Some dudes tested in cru that dcs is off on the 500hz mode hdmi 2.1. Zowie did not made a official statement about this though. I don't know why they hesitant about this. Guess they find people who are critical on dsc conspiracy nuts.

Yes it's worth upgrading from the PG248QP to the xl2586x. the Zowie has a sharpness slider that makes the image look way sharper then the Asus without any input lag. I like this feature a loth.

The brightness is much better on the Zowie with DYAC2 then the ASUS with ULMB2. This is a huge plus. I call it the A+ of this monitor ( DYAC2 is also fullscreen, not just the middle LIKE ULMB2). plus a vibrance slider that is really good as always on a Zowie but now the colors are better cause of the panel and now u can advance define each color there is this a HUGE plus also imo. the black equalizer is very good also,even better then before cause this monitor gets way brighter then the xl2566k producing more contrast in dark areas.

So, there is no workaround to get custom resolution on 540Hz? Even while using older NVIDIA Drivers like on the Asus ROG Swift Pro PG248QP? Is the 540Hz an overclock on the Zowie? As in do you have to choose it on the OSD to enable it like on the Asus? And lastly do you have any idea what the difference is between the new Zowie XL2566X+ (400Hz Model successor to the highly acclaimed XL2566K 360Hz) compared to the XL2586X? They seem to advertise it as a newer TN Panel than the previous X models. I was wondering what the input lag/response times are on it compared to the 540Hz and how they differ. Thanks buddy.

I did not try to overclock the 499hz edid in CRU. I cannot even tell if it's locked like the PG248QP is for CRU overclocking. (Yes the 540hz edid is a nonCRU overclock) but it's a mystery if DSC is off on the 499hz edid. Zowie refuses to answer this question. Cause they don't believe in the downsides of DSC. They compare it to people who believe in chemtrails. Else they called the 499hz mode DSC off mode right?

In the PG248QP u could only do custom resolutions on the 500hz mode. Not 540hz. If it is possible throw that driver nr in the PG248QP topic!! Noone mentioned it overthere from my understanding.

Question is now can u overclock the 499hz edid on the zowie xl2586x? I don't wanna mess with CRU right now cause I have the perfect setup. I did see a post somewhere from someone that said he overclocked the 499hz edid on the xl2586x but don't know where and how trustworthy that post was. I don't know anything of the xl2566x or how bright it gets with dyac2. That would be the first thing I check if I where you.

The colors on the xl2586x are very good even better then the PG248QP cause the xl2586x gets way brighter with dyac2 then ulmb2. PLUS u can edit each and every color ( not just rgb) on the xl2586x thats a HUGE plus. Did I already say that's a HUGE plus? If not I say it again. The fact that u can edit each and every color on this monitor is a huge plus. Wonder if the xl2566x has that option also. I wonder why zowie does not throw that plus in there marketing campaign. Maybe cause it's too good and can get seen as cheating? Who knows..

At the moment,

The asus pg248qp is like $400-500AU (~$300USD) cheaper than the xl2586X.

Should I get that? Or should i really opt for the zowie if I want the most edge possible in PUBG?

Grasshopper85 wrote: ↑

26 Sep 2024, 07:54

At the moment,

The asus pg248qp is like $400-500AU (~$300USD) cheaper than the xl2586X.

Should I get that? Or should i really opt for the zowie if I want the most edge possible in PUBG?

Good Evening,

This is what Zowie told me directly about the differences between the newer XL2566X+ compared to the XL2586X.
"those two models share some common improvements.
Comparing those two models, other than hz, XL2586X has a more vivid color; rest are the same."

And about response time/input lag delay.
"they are very similar because they shared the latest design."

"The main differences are:
-Hz (you already know)
- XL2586X has a slightly more vivid color than XL2566X+
Others are similar, including the response time."

I have already ordered the Zowie XL2586X. Once I receive it. I will test it beside my Asus pg248qp. And give you guys as much feedback as possible. I hope that will help with your decision.

daviddave1 wrote: ↑

26 Sep 2024, 05:56

gab848 wrote: ↑

24 Sep 2024, 20:33

daviddave1 wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2024, 12:59

gab848 wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2024, 18:55

I wanted to ask whether it was possible to do custom resolutions on the Zowie XL2586x at 540Hz? How is it compared to the Asus PG248QP 540Hz? Does the Zowie run at 540Hz without having to use the OC setting in the OSD? Since you've had both of them could you give me some of your own input and opinions please? And finally is it worth upgrading from the Asus PG248QP to the Zowie XL2586x? Is the difference worth it? Thank you kindly brother!

Custom res on the zowie is not possible on 540hz. On 500 it is. Some dudes tested in cru that dcs is off on the 500hz mode hdmi 2.1. Zowie did not made a official statement about this though. I don't know why they hesitant about this. Guess they find people who are critical on dsc conspiracy nuts.

Yes it's worth upgrading from the PG248QP to the xl2586x. the Zowie has a sharpness slider that makes the image look way sharper then the Asus without any input lag. I like this feature a loth.

The brightness is much better on the Zowie with DYAC2 then the ASUS with ULMB2. This is a huge plus. I call it the A+ of this monitor ( DYAC2 is also fullscreen, not just the middle LIKE ULMB2). plus a vibrance slider that is really good as always on a Zowie but now the colors are better cause of the panel and now u can advance define each color there is this a HUGE plus also imo. the black equalizer is very good also,even better then before cause this monitor gets way brighter then the xl2566k producing more contrast in dark areas.

So, there is no workaround to get custom resolution on 540Hz? Even while using older NVIDIA Drivers like on the Asus ROG Swift Pro PG248QP? Is the 540Hz an overclock on the Zowie? As in do you have to choose it on the OSD to enable it like on the Asus? And lastly do you have any idea what the difference is between the new Zowie XL2566X+ (400Hz Model successor to the highly acclaimed XL2566K 360Hz) compared to the XL2586X? They seem to advertise it as a newer TN Panel than the previous X models. I was wondering what the input lag/response times are on it compared to the 540Hz and how they differ. Thanks buddy.

I did not try to overclock the 499hz edid in CRU. I cannot even tell if it's locked like the PG248QP is for CRU overclocking. (Yes the 540hz edid is a nonCRU overclock) but it's a mystery if DSC is off on the 499hz edid. Zowie refuses to answer this question. Cause they don't believe in the downsides of DSC. They compare it to people who believe in chemtrails. Else they called the 499hz mode DSC off mode right?

In the PG248QP u could only do custom resolutions on the 500hz mode. Not 540hz. If it is possible throw that driver nr in the PG248QP topic!! Noone mentioned it overthere from my understanding.

Question is now can u overclock the 499hz edid on the zowie xl2586x? I don't wanna mess with CRU right now cause I have the perfect setup. I did see a post somewhere from someone that said he overclocked the 499hz edid on the xl2586x but don't know where and how trustworthy that post was. I don't know anything of the xl2566x or how bright it gets with dyac2. That would be the first thing I check if I where you.

The colors on the xl2586x are very good even better then the PG248QP cause the xl2586x gets way brighter with dyac2 then ulmb2. PLUS u can edit each and every color ( not just rgb) on the xl2586x thats a HUGE plus. Did I already say that's a HUGE plus? If not I say it again. The fact that u can edit each and every color on this monitor is a huge plus. Wonder if the xl2566x has that option also. I wonder why zowie does not throw that plus in there marketing campaign. Maybe cause it's too good and can get seen as cheating? Who knows..

Good Evening,

I have actually found a way to make Custom Resolution on the Asus PG248QP. I can even do 540Hz Custom Res like 1728 x 1080 for PuBG and 1350 x 1080, 1440 x 1080 for CS2 ect. It's very strange method, firstly you need older drivers. Then you first turn off the OC mode in the Monitor's OSD. Then you make Custom Resolution with 500Hz First, after you've done that. You make Custom Resolution using 540Hz while the OC mode is turned off and it works, voilà. Very strange but it works. NVIDIA GPU Driver version: 546.33.