What is the best 1440p for motion blur ? (in IPS panel)

[Anonymous316387]

Hi i'm [username-removed] ( like the stars yes ), i've tested so many monitors like some people here, and i really want to know what is the best for now 1440P 165HZ or 240hz display in motion blur / 1080p240hz too and i want to all listed the monitors that i've had with what it's not good for me :



1440p 165hz/180hz/240hz Panel IPS/VA




MSI MAG274QRF-QD ( IPS 1440p 165hz ) this is my actual monitor with very good color accuracy ( on Rtings this monitor have literally 10/10 in SDR Color Gammut and...yes it's pretty good ( but it's matte coating so i found this pannel just "ok" ) and in, terms of motion blur it's a 165hz IPS....it's not really good for me but it's the best that i've found for now...

Dell S2721DGFA ( IPS 1440p 165hz ) this monitor cause me headache because it's not perfectly flicker free ( you can check that also on Rtings ) and the motion is like the MSI MAG274QRF-QD, very meh ! and so much reverse ghosting with very strong matte coating that i didn't like

Samsung Odyssey G7 ( 1440 VA 240hz ) the only VA that i've tested and i don't want to go back on VA, i don't care about high contrast because on FPS we don't care and it cause some black crushed ( and with black equalizer a VA panel become useless...and i have don't really apprecied the color accuracy with little green tint that i didn't like, ghosting are ok ! and reverse ghosting too but i found that monitor are too dark and i don't like the curved...it's not like a don't want curved but i don't care.

Acer Nitro XV272UPbmiiprzx ( IPS 1440p 144hz ) too bad, motion blur are just bad/ some reverse ghosting.

LG 27GN850-B ( IPS 1440p 165hz ) literally a DellS2721DGFA like, waste of time.

LG 27GP850 ( IPS 1440p 180z ) same here...random 1440p 165hz wich "OC mode 180hz" but just perform like the Dell and the other LG...




1080p Panel IPS/TN 144hz/240hz




Dell S2522hg ( 1080p IPS 240hz ) literally one of the worst ( but not THE worst ) it's a generic 240hz IPS panel with horrible strong matte coating and it's so blurry and small ( i very don't like the coating of Dell/Alienware wich are too strong ! ), 1080p only and the color accuracy are very bad ( like all IPS 240hz you can check that on some review of Bijan Jamshidi )

Asus VG259QM ( 1080p IPS 280hz ) wich is clearly THE WORST for me, seriously, some reverse ghosting, the contrast is weird because ( yes like some monitors ) the black are very black crushed on some space on certains map of games ( COD Cold War / Apex Legends ) and the motion handling god...it's so bad, if you put the overdrive too high the reverse ghosting are horrible, and without the ghosting are horrible too, the color accuracy are the worst of all IPS that i've tested, the menu are very meh...i really don't like this monitor and the 280hz it's useless for me

HP OMEN 25X ( 1080p TN 240hz ) yes the monitor that "AXAION" ( hi if you read this ! ) have send too Techless and it's like that i wanted to test this monitor wich is in fact...very bad for me...the colors are like some TN ( very very bad ) the motion handling are...not that good ( even with Blur Buster moving test in some overdrive it's one of the best but not the best ) because no saturation of colors, and the black equalizer and contrast handling are just horrible, i can't see anything when the ennemies are in shadows, i really didn't like this monitor.

BenQ XL2540 ( 1080p TN 240hz ) Just a useless BenQ now, this monitor have bad motion handling and poor overdrive handling ( reverse ghosting handling ) in comparison of other BenQ so just, it's useless now.

BenQ XL2546K ( 1080p TN 240hz ) good, but for the price i prefer my MAG274QRF-QD wich is 1440P Quantum Dots 27 inch display and for me another BenQ are better...

BenQ XL2540K ( 1080p TN 240hz ) THIS ONE are the best BenQ for me, same panel like the XL2546K but cheaper and with little trick you can enable DyAc ! ( wich a really don't like because cause me headache and anyway i really don't like Backlight Strobing technologies )

MSI MAG251RX ( 1080p IPS 240hz ) another random IPS 240hz wich is literally the same like the S2522HG...so..useless and perform lower than the XL2540K.

Asus ROG Strix XG259CM ( 1080 IPS 240hz ) apparently the same panel according to Viewsonic "XG2431" but i have found the size too little and not perform very well ( especially like in shadow environement ) like the Viewsonic XG2431 but yeah...i can't take the XG2431 because just not in my country...very sad.

Alienware AW2521HF ( 1080p IPS 240hz ) The overdrive handling on this one are horrible / colors too, red are oversaturated and ( it's just not red...but weird orange ? ) and cause me some headache, very strange but the panel are not for me... + some weird artifact with the second and mostly the latest overdrive settings.

and i have tested some Viewsonic / AOC and other in 1080p 27 or 24 inch 144hz it's been some years and i didn't like too and we didn't care about their.

I know i'm very rude and pernickety but hey we are monitor enthusiaste and i'm very pernickety in terms of motion handling, the only monitor that i found "good" it's the BenQ XL2540K and it's cost only 300 euro but it's TN panel.....

My question here are, there is a good 1440p 240hz that is better in terms of motion handling than my MAG274QRF-QD ? because yeah...i have played so much years on a Alienware AW2521HF ( TN 1080p 240hz ) and when i look 165hz panel on my FPS games it's hurt !

i don't like backlight strobing technologies and i don't want 360/390hz panel because i play Apex Legends and i prefer 240hz ( with RTX 3070 )

did i'm stuck with BenQ TN again ?!

[Chief Blur Buster]

Might still want to test the new E-TN panel when they come out and see how they behave at a lower Hz. I don't know if the E-TN will be available at 240Hz, because E-TN is coming to the ASUS 500Hz panel first.

Remember that you can still run 240Hz on a 390Hz panel (via either VRR or QFT), e.g. 240fps cap, since that's 240"Hz" refresh cycles transmitted over the video cable in 1/390sec (lower 240Hz lag by using Hz headroom of a higher Hz monitor). There's some tricks like using a lower refresh rate of a higher Hz monitor, with VRR or Quick Frame Transport, to reduce input lag to less than normal 240Hz monitors. Normally there is more lag if you use a monitor at the wrong refresh rate (not all monitors have low lag at all refresh rates) but QFT tweaks solves this problem.

Another method is VRR. As VRR becomes more esports-friendly when your VRR range is much larger than your framerate range (e.g. your framerate never reaches VRR max Hz = VRR becomes much more esports-friendly when your framerate never exits VRR range), e.g. 50-300fps on a 360Hz monitor, without needing to cap frame rates. The old claims of VRR having more input lag is from using VRR incorrectly, especially on old 144Hz VRR panels, or trying to run CS:GO (300fps) on 240Hz monitors. But with 390Hz-500Hz monitors, you can have esports-quality VRR without the lag problems of "framerate tried to exit VRR range". However, indeed overdrive can be a problem with some VRR panels (which is why the native G-SYNC premium helps sometimes -- NVIDIA VRR overdrive is really good).

I do expect there will be LCD GtG issues even at 500Hz, so it will be very interesting to see how they perform at 240Hz (epecially with QFT tricks).

So maybe ASUS 500Hz with your own custom 240Hz QFT mode (240Hz refresh cycles transmitted over the video cable in 1/500sec).

Or wait for 240Hz OLED, as OLED has extremely clean motion handling for sample-and-hold, following Blur Busters Law of motion blur mathematics much more closely than LCDs do. Since GtG pixel response is no longer an error margin.

[Anonymous316387]

Might still want to test the new E-TN panel when they come out and see how they behave at a lower Hz. I don't know if the E-TN will be available at 240Hz, because E-TN is coming to the ASUS 500Hz panel first.

Remember that you can still run 240Hz on a 390Hz panel (via either VRR or QFT), e.g. 240fps cap, since that's 240"Hz" refresh cycles transmitted over the video cable in 1/390sec (lower 240Hz lag by using Hz headroom of a higher Hz monitor). There's some tricks like using a lower refresh rate of a higher Hz monitor, with VRR or Quick Frame Transport, to reduce input lag to less than normal 240Hz monitors. Normally there is more lag if you use a monitor at the wrong refresh rate (not all monitors have low lag at all refresh rates) but QFT tweaks solves this problem.

Another method is VRR. As VRR becomes more esports-friendly when your VRR range is much larger than your framerate range (e.g. your framerate never reaches VRR max Hz = VRR becomes much more esports-friendly when your framerate never exits VRR range), e.g. 50-300fps on a 360Hz monitor, without needing to cap frame rates. The old claims of VRR having more input lag is from using VRR incorrectly, especially on old 144Hz VRR panels, or trying to run CS:GO (300fps) on 240Hz monitors. But with 390Hz-500Hz monitors, you can have esports-quality VRR without the lag problems of "framerate tried to exit VRR range". However, indeed overdrive can be a problem with some VRR panels (which is why the native G-SYNC premium helps sometimes -- NVIDIA VRR overdrive is really good).

I do expect there will be LCD GtG issues even at 500Hz, so it will be very interesting to see how they perform at 240Hz (epecially with QFT tricks).

So maybe ASUS 500Hz with your own custom 240Hz QFT mode (240Hz refresh cycles transmitted over the video cable in 1/500sec).

Or wait for 240Hz OLED, as OLED has extremely clean motion handling for sample-and-hold, following Blur Busters Law of motion blur mathematics much more closely than LCDs do. Since GtG pixel response is no longer an error margin.

Hi, thank you for the answer.

Unefortunately i didn't like G-Sync/Freesync VRR stuff because of the feeling of the input lag...( i mostly play at Apex Legends ) and i've already test some G-sync with and without VRR stuff and i like the smoothness of the image ( no tearing ) but the input lag...i can't.

i'm talking about motion blur specially, there is no good 1440p 165hz/240hz ?

Or i'm just stuck with BenQ XL2540k for some years ? because Oled 240hz won't come nearly and E-TN i think is very good but i really don't want to buy above 240hz , because if i have don't 360hz constantly ( or in 300/360 range of FPS ) the input lag will be bad...and Apex Legends won't hve above 300 FPS.

so, what is the best option in 1080p 240hz / 1440p 165hz 240hz for now please ?

It's not you have made with vewsonic the beautiful XG 240hz ? it's so bad it won't come other than UK

[jorimt]

i'm talking about motion blur specially, there is no good 1440p 165hz/240hz ?

The lowest effective native GtG + overdrive blur on a 240Hz 1440p fast IPS-type panel that I'm currently aware of is the ASUS PG279QM with "Esports" OD, but it doesn't have a strobing mode.

The FreeSync variant (XG27AQM) does, but I haven't used that one, so I can't directly attest to the OD or strobing performance of that model.

[Anonymous316387]

i'm talking about motion blur specially, there is no good 1440p 165hz/240hz ?

The lowest effective native GtG + overdrive blur on a 240Hz 1440p fast IPS-type panel that I'm currently aware of is the ASUS PG279QM with "Esports" OD, but it doesn't have a strobing mode.

The FreeSync variant (XG27AQM) does, but I haven't used that one, so I can't directly attest to the OD or strobing performance of that model.

Hi, thank to answer this is very cool !

I too was interested in the Asus 1440p 240hz and in reality what I'm looking for is a 1440P 240hz which has VERY good overdrive management (I'm literally allergic to reverse ghosting and stuff like Backlight Strobing) and the Viewsonic XG we made with BlurBuster is really good (but not available in France, so I'm crying!!)
And since I don't want to go back to the BenQ XL2540K, which I found very good for managing overdrive and black equalizer.
So okay, I'm sticking with the Asus and I'll probably test it one day, but I hope it won't have a huge reverse ghosting on the latest Overdrives (because I hate playing on the first overdrive modes because the 'input lag gets really high otherwise)
a huge thank you!

in 1080p 240hz, what is the best for you ? ( without backlight strobing )

[Chief Blur Buster]

Unefortunately i didn't like G-Sync/Freesync VRR stuff because of the feeling of the input lag...( i mostly play at Apex Legends ) and i've already test some G-sync with and without VRR stuff and i like the smoothness of the image ( no tearing ) but the input lag...i can't.

Which Hz?

G-SYNC at 360Hz+ has far less lag than G-SYNC at 144Hz -- sometimes 90% less lag because of the combination of:
- Uncapped framerate is below max VRR Hz
- No need to cap
- No VSYNC ON backpressure
- Scanout latency of 80fps G-SYNC frames are still 1/360sec frame transmission over the cable.

This is why I recommend when esports players wants the VRR with the least compromises, they must buy a VRR range much larger than their framerate range. Esports athletes should skip buying a 240Hz monitor for G-SYNC if your game runs at 300fps, make sure max G-SYNC Hz is far beyond max game frame rate, in order to avoid G-SYNC latency penalty.

150fps G-SYNC on 360Hz has less latency than 150fps G-SYNC at 240 Hz, and a massive latency spike occurs if you try to do 150fps G-SYNC at 144Hz. So keep G-SYNC max Hz far beyond the maximum framerate of your esports game, if you ever want to use G-SYNC in esports.

Always purchase far more Hz than you need, if you ever use G-SYNC in esports with minimum latency.

VSYNC OFF has some great lagfeel mechanics, but brute Hz (especially 2x max Hz) can make G-SYNC feel much closer to VSYNC OFF, e.g. 150fps G-SYNC on a 360Hz monitor or 500Hz monitor.

Now that being said, if you use VSYNC OFF, you can just purchase only a 240Hz monitor and be done with it, but the new 2022 advice is "buy at least 2x more Hz than you need if you ever use G-SYNC in esports".

[Boomchakadah]

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[Anonymous316387]

Unefortunately i didn't like G-Sync/Freesync VRR stuff because of the feeling of the input lag...( i mostly play at Apex Legends ) and i've already test some G-sync with and without VRR stuff and i like the smoothness of the image ( no tearing ) but the input lag...i can't.

Which Hz?

G-SYNC at 360Hz+ has far less lag than G-SYNC at 144Hz -- sometimes 90% less lag because of the combination of:
- Uncapped framerate is below max VRR Hz
- No need to cap
- No VSYNC ON backpressure
- Scanout latency of 80fps G-SYNC frames are still 1/360sec frame transmission over the cable.

This is why I recommend when esports players wants the VRR with the least compromises, they must buy a VRR range much larger than their framerate range. Esports athletes should skip buying a 240Hz monitor for G-SYNC if your game runs at 300fps, make sure max G-SYNC Hz is far beyond max game frame rate, in order to avoid G-SYNC latency penalty.

150fps G-SYNC on 360Hz has less latency than 150fps G-SYNC at 240 Hz, and a massive latency spike occurs if you try to do 150fps G-SYNC at 144Hz. So keep G-SYNC max Hz far beyond the maximum framerate of your esports game, if you ever want to use G-SYNC in esports.

Always purchase far more Hz than you need, if you ever use G-SYNC in esports with minimum latency.

VSYNC OFF has some great lagfeel mechanics, but brute Hz (especially 2x max Hz) can make G-SYNC feel much closer to VSYNC OFF, e.g. 150fps G-SYNC on a 360Hz monitor or 500Hz monitor.

Now that being said, if you use VSYNC OFF, you can just purchase only a 240Hz monitor and be done with it, but the new 2022 advice is "buy at least 2x more Hz than you need if you ever use G-SYNC in esports".

It's really interesting !
Nobody, not even Nvidia says all this, I find it a shame...
How did you find this? with personal tests?
So to play in G-Sync (with vsync ofc) you have to have a lot more hertz and block the FPS at a much lower level, very strange!
I don't want to buy a 360hz to try this, it's really interesting and I thank you for teaching me this but I mainly focus on motion blur, some screens in G-sync cannot change overdrive and it therefore depends on the screen model ...
And so if possible I would have liked to know today the two best references in terms of motion blur (without G-sync and without backlight strobing) in 1080p 240hz and 1440p 240hz.

But I think the XL2540k in my opinion will still be the best 1080p 240hz for motion blur without DyAc and as "jorimt" says I also think the Asus XG27AQM can be really good it seems to me that Mr. Bijan Jamshidi has it try it and approved it!

For me, the best screen is not a screen with a crazy hertz rate or backlight strobing but a simple panel that knows how to perfectly manage overdrive at 240hz, in addition, as I only play Apex Legends mainly , beyond 240hz it's useless, because the game is limited to 300fps (and even a 3090 gets significant drops below 200fps in low 1080p because of the optimization of the game)

I will probably change my RTX 3070 Noctua edition for an RTX 4070 to take full advantage of my next screen, because for 1440p the RTX 3070 in Apex is insufficient because of the big drops, thanks for the advice, however I cannot take any advice. screen with a high hertz rate like 360/390 because I don't play games like cs:go / valorant, it wouldn't have a significant benefit for my use.

on the other hand, one thing that has always bothered me is to see that on console the 60hz VRR/V-sync is always super smooth and fluid whereas on PC it is always slower and less smooth, there is any reason for that or is it just an optical effect?

[Anonymous316387]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/647 ... ng-monitor

Hi Boomchakadah , yes i know...but it's not available in my country ( France ) and it's not seems to be coming...i'm cry so much

[Anonymous316387]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/647 ... ng-monitor

oh nvm it's seems finally to coming in few month !