Hi
I want to advise my friend, who's a gamer, but I don't know enough about TVs. He aims at 60-75" size.
He'll get a great deal on Sony TVs, so preferably Sony.
Only models available in Europe (it will be purchased in Poland)
Minimum:
- well made and functional BFI/low persistence mode for 120Hz content
- no problems with Playstation 5
Desirable:
Properly working 60Hz BFI mode (no double "strobe" (it's OLED, I know;)) and less than 8ms persistence
vibrant colors in SDR, not just HDR
good to have:
- good brightness, especially in BFI modes (relatively, of course, OLEDS are dim, I know)
- very well suited for RetroTink 4K (bright in BFI modes and no issues if there can be any)
- reasonable price
Not important:
- color accuracy
- smartTV features
- elegant design
- hundreds of HDMI/DP ports
- superb HDR
Which OLED TV available today handles motion well?
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Re: Which OLED TV available today handles motion well?
I bought a used LG CX yesterday and am very pleased with its BFI. It has awesome motion clarity for 60 Hz content (BFI set to 'High'). The flicker is no problem for me. Its MPRT is between 3 and 4 ms for 60 Hz BFI, which is the best on every OLED I know so far. The LGs also work perfectly fine with the PS5, support 4K120 Hz, HGiG and VRR (not usable with BFI at the same time). 120 Hz BFI also works, has an MPRT of 4 ms I think. When using the TV in the dark, brightness with BFI on 'High' is more than enough for me, even though it dims the light output a lot. A friend owns a Retrotink 4K in combination with an LG C1 and is happy with it, would be the same with a CX I guess.
Recent OLEDs do not have a 120 Hz BFI mode and its 60 Hz MPRT is also worse (8 ms if I'm correct), which is why I decided to buy an older TV because of its better BFI.
Recent OLEDs do not have a 120 Hz BFI mode and its 60 Hz MPRT is also worse (8 ms if I'm correct), which is why I decided to buy an older TV because of its better BFI.
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Re: Which OLED TV available today handles motion well?
If you are okay with 8ms MPRT (50% blur reduction for BFI of 60Hz), then buy any good Black Friday sale OLED TV with good reviews (e.g. on RTINGs), make sure it supports 60Hz single-strobe.
If you need 4ms-or-less MPRT in BFI (75% blur reduction for BFI of 60Hz), it might require buying older OLED panels (such as the LG CX), or waiting for the upcoming 240Hz OLED televisions (starting at 48" and 55" sizes initially I believe, won't be 65-75" for a few years probably).
Recent OLED MPRT was somewhat gimped by current OLED to be throttled to maxHz refreshtime, for cost reasons at the panel fabrication level. So increasing maxHz capability helps solve the problem, since 1/240sec ~= 4ms
The LG CX is currently the gold standard for low-MPRT 60Hz, and it is nicely Retrotink4K compatible as a bonus (for brighter BFI that is also lower lag).
Note: Retrotink 4K can do BFI at lower lag than most BFI processors in most OLED TVs.
Technical Explanation For People Who Understand raster scanning, the art of serialized 1D delivery of 2D picture data over a cable and onto a CRT tube or a LCD/OLED panel: Retrotink 4K latency reduction is because it can do it in a semi-beamraced way, where input and output are processed simultaneously rather than buffering the input fully before output. Most TVs buffer the incoming refresh cycle first before a fast-scanout of BFI because of the "slowscan input, fastscan output" un-"beam raceable" problem. But retrotink can buffer 0.5/60sec worth of rasters from 60Hz output and immediately begin the 1/120sec visible-frame scanout, while it's still finishing framebuffering the last 0.5/60sec of the input refresh cycle (bottom half of input refresh cycle). That's scientifically the minimum possible latency for adding BFI to a non-QFT 60Hz signal (standard NTSC or ATSC 60Hz timings that takes almost 1/60sec to deliver from first thru last pixel, forcing a BFI processor to wait before fast-scanning out the visible frame before black frames, adding unwanted latency).
If you need 4ms-or-less MPRT in BFI (75% blur reduction for BFI of 60Hz), it might require buying older OLED panels (such as the LG CX), or waiting for the upcoming 240Hz OLED televisions (starting at 48" and 55" sizes initially I believe, won't be 65-75" for a few years probably).
Recent OLED MPRT was somewhat gimped by current OLED to be throttled to maxHz refreshtime, for cost reasons at the panel fabrication level. So increasing maxHz capability helps solve the problem, since 1/240sec ~= 4ms
The LG CX is currently the gold standard for low-MPRT 60Hz, and it is nicely Retrotink4K compatible as a bonus (for brighter BFI that is also lower lag).
Note: Retrotink 4K can do BFI at lower lag than most BFI processors in most OLED TVs.
Technical Explanation For People Who Understand raster scanning, the art of serialized 1D delivery of 2D picture data over a cable and onto a CRT tube or a LCD/OLED panel: Retrotink 4K latency reduction is because it can do it in a semi-beamraced way, where input and output are processed simultaneously rather than buffering the input fully before output. Most TVs buffer the incoming refresh cycle first before a fast-scanout of BFI because of the "slowscan input, fastscan output" un-"beam raceable" problem. But retrotink can buffer 0.5/60sec worth of rasters from 60Hz output and immediately begin the 1/120sec visible-frame scanout, while it's still finishing framebuffering the last 0.5/60sec of the input refresh cycle (bottom half of input refresh cycle). That's scientifically the minimum possible latency for adding BFI to a non-QFT 60Hz signal (standard NTSC or ATSC 60Hz timings that takes almost 1/60sec to deliver from first thru last pixel, forcing a BFI processor to wait before fast-scanning out the visible frame before black frames, adding unwanted latency).
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