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Pasting this on here because it involves strobing. ~~And no one responded in general~~

The display was a 2009 Panasonic TH-C42FD18 with a subfield drive of 480hz.
I am confused since not only did 60fps overwatch look the exact same as it would on an oled. 30fps also did too.
From my understanding, the persistence should be somewhere around 6 to 8ms on 60fps content. Did i misunderstand something. Or was there hidden settings you needed to turn on? I really doubt it since i could actually see the screen flicker with the edges of my eyes. I never knew i was that sensitive.

In retrospect, the fact 30 - 60fps on that thing has the equivalent motion quality as on an oled is amazing for it's time. 2010 ish.

But if that is what 6ms (ish) pulsed persistence means, then I am very confused. Especially on why you chief want to make a plasma simulator now that the crt one is out.

Reminder: don't forget that u need to eye-track something to truly benefit from flicker-based blur reduction. Flicker doesn't help stationary eyes, it can only help when eyes are in motion.

Hello. I tested Plasma Panasonic FHD TV with the response time of 0.001ms in 2011 but I got very confused for still classic motion blur because SOFT/WEAK flicker is too bad at Sub-Field Drive disabled.
Therefore, this plasma TV "color" nor OLED is NOT similar to CRT. But yes red monochrome plasma monitor had extreme hard flicker as excellent flicker for almost zero motion blur issue for... some vintage laptops only.

Discorz wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2025, 02:57

Reminder: don't forget that u need to eye-track something to truly benefit from flicker-based blur reduction. Flicker doesn't help stationary eyes, it can only help when eyes are in motion.

That is the issue. I was mainly testing tracking bullets flying by. It was equally as hard. But then again 180fps clarity is not exactly some ultra clear motion. The bullets must have been around 2500 to 3500 pixels of speed (1080p). That is still above 12 pixel s of blur.


Also in response to nuninho1980. I had no idea you could adjust the sub field. Maybe that was the issue.
Though if you say plasma is not like crt. Then maybe strobing is worthwhile after all. Maybe a quest with sub 1ms persistence would be best.

Small update for you guys. This panasonic plasma at 60hz is not infact equivalent to 60hz oled. It's much worse. I got the ufo on for a few minutes. The whole ufo was ghosted around 4 pixels wide. With yellow smearing near the size of the upper body.

Do plasmas motion capabilities deteriorate? This is after all a 2008 set with more than 10,000 hours on it. Even if it was high end 1080p $900 in it's time.

Stilgar from moreleTB did a pursuit shot of plasma.

source: https://youtu.be/pMOAbLaDU7U?si=z9QincwdpsMkuD6U&t=513

purplemelon1 wrote: ↑

02 Jul 2025, 11:34

This panasonic plasma at 60hz is not infact equivalent to 60hz oled. It's much worse. I got the ufo on for a few minutes. The whole ufo was ghosted around 4 pixels wide. With yellow smearing near the size of the upper body.

Well, plasma has phosphor trails, OLED doesn't, so that's probably what you're referring to:
https://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/plasma- ... 2007040133

Had them on my ST60 as well.

The primary advantage plasma has over non-strobed OLED is MPRT.

Gotta thank chief once again for making these tests to show differences are way bigger than most realize.

That photo discorz linked is pretty close to what i saw in person. There are two main differences. The ghosting and trailing are much more faint than what the picture captured. But i believe in person would also have that faintness. As you can see in the middle ufo onthe left side the yellow is much lighter. The second one is that the alien looks like overshoot in this picture. So this one may be smeared. While what i saw saw just had ghosts behind. Making the alien aligned eith the ufo feet.

I had seen these kinds of pictures before but didn't recognize what i was looking at. I know where the ufo legs are is where the actual ufo is. Now that i understand it's a pretty uniform smear. I would go so far as to call 60fps plasma equivalent to 40-50fps oled. Nevermind 6ms persistence. (60fps blur plus 4 +pixels of smear = 20ms p). So now maybe the only benefit of lower mrpt is latency. But in the modern age with sub 5ms latency even in tvs. That is no longer a pro.

Maybe panasonic was just bad. Thanks to the link by jorimt, i went reading through some old forum posts. Most of the complaints or discussion was about panasonics. Not that it matters since it's dead tech.

Oh and this is only assuming with eye tracking. I don't remember what my eyes stationary saw... But it was worse than the post hence the harsher tone.