I bought BenQ 2430T 3 days ago and I'm honestly crying from all the problems it's giving me. I figured I'd better ask for advice because this is just too much.
I've had this 60hz AOC monitor for awhile and I was completely fine, although I suppose colors there were weird and the monitor was overly bright (or so I thought at the time) but I got used to it then I got this monitor and it was even brighter and colors were a ton more yellowish, and no matter how much I try, I can't get color vibrance, color temp, contrast and brightness right, all setups I tried so far are just weird.
I resorted into either using Bluish preset or user defined of 66, 66, 95 (RGB), I just find it the best way to remove the yellowish color I notice on the monitor but I can never get a perfect white, it's always either a bit yellow or blue.
I have installed BenQ 2430T final ICC profile, that alone fixed a ton of color problems I originally had.
My second problem would be the fact there's never a master-setup that suits everything, what works in desktop does not work in-games, I mainly play CS GO and my desktop settings are too dark in game, I have attempted using gamer1 and gamer2 but for some reason those work worse than Standard, I resorted to just changing color vibrance and black equalizer but it's quite annoying to constantly tinker and I never actually reach a point where I think it's perfect or even better than my last monitor.
While annoying, those two problems can probably be solved by settings, which annoys me further because I can't find the right ones but my biggest problem is that I get massive headache and an irritating feeling in my eyes, a burn-like feeling.
Since I changed from 60hz to 144hz I'm currently trying it back at 60hz to see if the pain is related to colors/brightness or the refresh rate, I bought this monitor purely for the higher refresh rate so I'd probably have to return the monitor if I can't get used to it, is this a thing? Do you actually have to get used to 144hz, does the pain go away after a few days?
I suppose that if 60hz feels fine, I'll try 120hz or 100hz to see if it makes a difference.
Video Card: Radeon 7970 HD - at default settings
My current monitor settings:
Blur Reduction: Off
Black eQualizer: 0 in desktop, 5 to 10 in games (mainly CS GO)
Color Vibrance: 9 or 10, I keep changing (10 has a sort of bright feel to it while 9 or 11 have such strong colors, only happens in Standard)
Low Blue Light: 3
Input Mode: On
Brightness: 48
Contrast: 50
Sharpness: 5
Gamma: Profile 5
Color Temp: User Defined 66, 66, 95 (RGB)
AMA: Off
Dynamic Contrast: 0
Senseye: Off
Any help would be highly appreciated, I would love to make the most out've this monitor.
BenQ 2430T problems
- lexlazootin
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Re: BenQ 2430T problems
Resetting your settings to neutral is the best bet.
Picture Mode: Standard
Contrast: 50
Low Blue Light: 0
Black eQualizer: 0
Colour Temp: User Defined 100, 100, 100
AMA: High
Dynamic Contrast: 0
Color Vibrance: (Whatever off is, 0 or 5?)
Picture Mode: Standard
Contrast: 50
Low Blue Light: 0
Black eQualizer: 0
Colour Temp: User Defined 100, 100, 100
AMA: High
Dynamic Contrast: 0
Color Vibrance: (Whatever off is, 0 or 5?)
Re: BenQ 2430T problems
Color Vibrance seems bugged. It starts off at default of 10 but 9 or 11 seem to trigger something off and switch into a completely different thing, this only occurs in Standard, any other mode has a completely different look for Color Vibrance of 10 (the default).
It's almost as if Black eQualizer is triggered even when at 0 if you're in Standard and have default Color Vibrance.
AMA creates a trail over moving character models in CS GO, or rather, that's the first place I noticed, it doesn't seem to have any other benefit so I keep it off to avoid seeing the very noticeable trail. The high refresh rate and input mode as well as every other promised feature that I am using should be good enough, only that a few flaws stand in my way.
It's been 3 whole days of constant tinkering, I actually gave up completely on 144hz, I figured there won't be much different if I try 120hz.
I have found an easy master-setup for everything, I do have a preference for shows/movies but it's just one setting so I don't mind it, I'm down to the following 2 problems:
I'm not used to TN panels, basically I have a problem with finding a blue to yellow balance, if my head falls a bit low and looks at the screen from a lower position, I see too much blue and if I look down, I see too much yellow. It's not equal and achieving white seems impossible, it's so very dependent on angles. Similar effect if I move my chair a bit to the right or the left, angles are basically messing with me.
I don't know why, it might be something to do with AMD or my room lighting but I can't stand any color presets recommended or built in, it's always too yellow when above 90-90 on red and green, they have to be butchered down to get proper colors.
The second problem still being that I get a headache. I swear I'm catching my monitor change brightness constantly, I'm not exactly sure what causes that but I currently think that's the cause, maybe if the eye is constantly adjusting for different brightness it's causing this.
But quite honestly, for this price, I think it's way too much effort required, I'm thinking to just return this monitor and grab another but it's a bummer because it's supposedly one of the most recommended, so many people love this monitor and others are supposedly worse.
I was thinking that maybe the XL2411Z will be better due to lack of exposure of certain settings but I wouldn't want to be disappointed by BenQ monitors again.
And the real big pain is, I tried my old 60hz monitor and I definitely can't go back, I don't know who is the crazy person who claimed the human eye can't even see above 60 frames, there's a very noticeable difference.
It's almost as if Black eQualizer is triggered even when at 0 if you're in Standard and have default Color Vibrance.
AMA creates a trail over moving character models in CS GO, or rather, that's the first place I noticed, it doesn't seem to have any other benefit so I keep it off to avoid seeing the very noticeable trail. The high refresh rate and input mode as well as every other promised feature that I am using should be good enough, only that a few flaws stand in my way.
It's been 3 whole days of constant tinkering, I actually gave up completely on 144hz, I figured there won't be much different if I try 120hz.
I have found an easy master-setup for everything, I do have a preference for shows/movies but it's just one setting so I don't mind it, I'm down to the following 2 problems:
I'm not used to TN panels, basically I have a problem with finding a blue to yellow balance, if my head falls a bit low and looks at the screen from a lower position, I see too much blue and if I look down, I see too much yellow. It's not equal and achieving white seems impossible, it's so very dependent on angles. Similar effect if I move my chair a bit to the right or the left, angles are basically messing with me.
I don't know why, it might be something to do with AMD or my room lighting but I can't stand any color presets recommended or built in, it's always too yellow when above 90-90 on red and green, they have to be butchered down to get proper colors.
The second problem still being that I get a headache. I swear I'm catching my monitor change brightness constantly, I'm not exactly sure what causes that but I currently think that's the cause, maybe if the eye is constantly adjusting for different brightness it's causing this.
But quite honestly, for this price, I think it's way too much effort required, I'm thinking to just return this monitor and grab another but it's a bummer because it's supposedly one of the most recommended, so many people love this monitor and others are supposedly worse.
I was thinking that maybe the XL2411Z will be better due to lack of exposure of certain settings but I wouldn't want to be disappointed by BenQ monitors again.
And the real big pain is, I tried my old 60hz monitor and I definitely can't go back, I don't know who is the crazy person who claimed the human eye can't even see above 60 frames, there's a very noticeable difference.
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Re: BenQ 2430T problems
You can fix the AMA by:
1) blur reduction ON: enable blur reduction then set AMA to high afterwards (not before, otherwise overwrite it). Set monitor brightness beforehand because any changes to brightness or ANY strobe settings changed in the service menu will revert the AMA. Resolution/refresh rate changes revert it also.
2) blur reduction OFF: a bit more work. Save a standard mode preset with blur reduction ON to gamer preset #2, and save another copy of standard mode preset with blur reduction OFF to gamer preset #1. Then do the same steps in 1) above. Then to disable blur reduction, instead of turning it off through the OSD (which will use default AMA values), activate gamer preset #1 directly.
Note: this has NOT been tested on the XL2430T so I don't know if it works the same way or if it works at all. it DOES work on the XL2411Z, XL2420Z and XL2720Z.
Also there were rumors that the Gamer 1, 2 and 3 presets don't actually save the exact mode to that preset when you click "save settings", but rather it saves a copy of the settings in the picture and display modes into gamer 1, 2 and 3, but the low level picture calibrations are actually from FPS1, FPS2 and RTS mode (this is what Gamer 1, 2 and 3 default as on a firmware reset). Again I don't own this monitor so I can't confirm but someone said they went into standard mode, looked carefully at the color settings visually, saved it into gamer 1, then recalled gamer 1, and the "standard mode" settings were saved, but the actual colors seemed to use the original FPS1 low level settings.
You'll have to test that for yourself.
On the Z monitors, the exact mode you saved is actually saved into gamer 1-3, including the low level color settings for standard mode (or whatever mode you chose to save), although gamer 1-2-3 default to FPS and RTS mode on a fresh firmware reset/recall.
1) blur reduction ON: enable blur reduction then set AMA to high afterwards (not before, otherwise overwrite it). Set monitor brightness beforehand because any changes to brightness or ANY strobe settings changed in the service menu will revert the AMA. Resolution/refresh rate changes revert it also.
2) blur reduction OFF: a bit more work. Save a standard mode preset with blur reduction ON to gamer preset #2, and save another copy of standard mode preset with blur reduction OFF to gamer preset #1. Then do the same steps in 1) above. Then to disable blur reduction, instead of turning it off through the OSD (which will use default AMA values), activate gamer preset #1 directly.
Note: this has NOT been tested on the XL2430T so I don't know if it works the same way or if it works at all. it DOES work on the XL2411Z, XL2420Z and XL2720Z.
Also there were rumors that the Gamer 1, 2 and 3 presets don't actually save the exact mode to that preset when you click "save settings", but rather it saves a copy of the settings in the picture and display modes into gamer 1, 2 and 3, but the low level picture calibrations are actually from FPS1, FPS2 and RTS mode (this is what Gamer 1, 2 and 3 default as on a firmware reset). Again I don't own this monitor so I can't confirm but someone said they went into standard mode, looked carefully at the color settings visually, saved it into gamer 1, then recalled gamer 1, and the "standard mode" settings were saved, but the actual colors seemed to use the original FPS1 low level settings.
You'll have to test that for yourself.
On the Z monitors, the exact mode you saved is actually saved into gamer 1-3, including the low level color settings for standard mode (or whatever mode you chose to save), although gamer 1-2-3 default to FPS and RTS mode on a fresh firmware reset/recall.
Re: BenQ 2430T problems
Well it's been tested now, sadly the little AMA trick didn't work, would've been neat.
What I tried to do:
1. Blur reduction to on
2. AMA to high from off
(I figured making #1 work first would prove it's doable)
UFO ghosting test thingo, trail remains the same. In fact, with blur reduction on there's an even larger trail.
As for Gamer modes, it seems Standard operates differently than any other mode, user defined colors do save properly, it's color vibrance that gives a different look while having same value.
Color Vibrance of 10 in Standard is not the same like Color Vibrance of 10 in let's say, Movie profie (or any other profile).
In any other profile, colors have a very strong look, in Standard at default vibrance, there's an extra bright layer, perhaps different gamma, this is also the only mode in the monitor that keeps black squares distinguishable in that one lagom picture test, however, go 1 up or 1 down and all blacks look the same and colors become extremely alive.
The only other way to counter the black squares problem in other gaming modes was to adjust brightness in AMD's panel but that in turn causes color problems, it can probably be fixed with more tinkering but that's sort of beyond me.
I've sort of given up on trying to adjust colors since it seems very connected to the fact the monitor changes brightness or gamma automatically, it's as if it's breathing, I noticed it even now as I was writing this post, I don't really understand why it does that.
There's no apparent logic behind it, nothing triggers it, it just happens and I constantly want to reduce/increase brightness accordingly.
How different is XL2411Z from XL2430T ? My friend got the XL2411Z and he's really really happy with it, he recommended I get it but the money difference to XL2430T wasn't that big, that's why I bought it, I figured it's slightly better so why not. I'm not sure whether I'd bump same problems with XL2411Z or not.
My friend is just having such a good time with his XL2411Z and I sit here wondering whether it's just his overly excited opinion or there's a very real difference between the two.
What I tried to do:
1. Blur reduction to on
2. AMA to high from off
(I figured making #1 work first would prove it's doable)
UFO ghosting test thingo, trail remains the same. In fact, with blur reduction on there's an even larger trail.
As for Gamer modes, it seems Standard operates differently than any other mode, user defined colors do save properly, it's color vibrance that gives a different look while having same value.
Color Vibrance of 10 in Standard is not the same like Color Vibrance of 10 in let's say, Movie profie (or any other profile).
In any other profile, colors have a very strong look, in Standard at default vibrance, there's an extra bright layer, perhaps different gamma, this is also the only mode in the monitor that keeps black squares distinguishable in that one lagom picture test, however, go 1 up or 1 down and all blacks look the same and colors become extremely alive.
The only other way to counter the black squares problem in other gaming modes was to adjust brightness in AMD's panel but that in turn causes color problems, it can probably be fixed with more tinkering but that's sort of beyond me.
I've sort of given up on trying to adjust colors since it seems very connected to the fact the monitor changes brightness or gamma automatically, it's as if it's breathing, I noticed it even now as I was writing this post, I don't really understand why it does that.
There's no apparent logic behind it, nothing triggers it, it just happens and I constantly want to reduce/increase brightness accordingly.
How different is XL2411Z from XL2430T ? My friend got the XL2411Z and he's really really happy with it, he recommended I get it but the money difference to XL2430T wasn't that big, that's why I bought it, I figured it's slightly better so why not. I'm not sure whether I'd bump same problems with XL2411Z or not.
My friend is just having such a good time with his XL2411Z and I sit here wondering whether it's just his overly excited opinion or there's a very real difference between the two.
Re: BenQ 2430T problems
I was going to start a new topic but it looks like I have the exact same issues said here.
Lets start
I am using two benq monitors, on my left I have a RL2460ht and on my front the XL2430t, both have the same type of panel as far as I know, but the overall calibration I get from the 60hz monitor feels much better and *stable*.
As Rotem said, it does feels like the XL2430T fluctuates the bright and contrast somehow, but overall I feel the whole image is to much whiteish, to much milk all over.
I am using the ICC posted here, at:
Pic Mode Standard
30 Brightness
30-40 Contrast
Gamma 5
Color Vib 10
What happens here as well is that at Color Vib 10 I get all black squares to show fine on the lagom test, while on any any other setting, 9, 11 etc, it will only show the last ones, the whole image is more black but crushed. But at Vibrance 9 or 11 the milk feel goes away and the colors look beter.
Other thing I notice is that the higher the refresh rate, the more whiteish the image gets, the more hz the more white. Is that normal?
Lets start
I am using two benq monitors, on my left I have a RL2460ht and on my front the XL2430t, both have the same type of panel as far as I know, but the overall calibration I get from the 60hz monitor feels much better and *stable*.
As Rotem said, it does feels like the XL2430T fluctuates the bright and contrast somehow, but overall I feel the whole image is to much whiteish, to much milk all over.
I am using the ICC posted here, at:
Pic Mode Standard
30 Brightness
30-40 Contrast
Gamma 5
Color Vib 10
What happens here as well is that at Color Vib 10 I get all black squares to show fine on the lagom test, while on any any other setting, 9, 11 etc, it will only show the last ones, the whole image is more black but crushed. But at Vibrance 9 or 11 the milk feel goes away and the colors look beter.
Other thing I notice is that the higher the refresh rate, the more whiteish the image gets, the more hz the more white. Is that normal?