How do you get rid of late timings?

[Dieter]

Is there any way how to fix the late timings issue on CSGO? The being "late" from others is significantly noticeable I can show even demos if needed (I've seen I'm playing so slow compared to others despite how fast I try, it's not that I suck completely but I can't show my full potentials of my skills and reaction times and it's absurd to try hard against others who have timing advantages due to their pcs getting kills without any effort) I've tried so far different tweaks and bloatware remover on my Windows 10 and even disabled the hyper-threading on my I7-4790 also even used the Interrupt Affinity Policy Tool to use the fastest core (found out that the last core 7 was the fastest that it did fixed the latencies a bit in comparison from before) on interrupting the GPU, also I tried even the network pcie controller setting it to the fastest core of my CPU also I don't really have any problems with electricity in my house as it looks quite powerful and stable but it still does seem that there's nothing network nor power electricity related, I have even tried disabling HPET (High Precision Event Timer).

I have highly doubt on my motherboards which is an OEM and the VRMs are naked (I'm not honestly based just on that) and can't really provide smoothly and stable voltages nor even providing them in the right time since I bought the system used but in a very good condition and put my GTX 1650 and a new SSD which I'm not yet sure since this is an business pc desktop and honestly I think the latencies are not their biggest priority when it comes to such "business" hardwares unlike on those of a gaming motherboard nor aftermarket one, basically I got the HP ProDesk 400 G1 MT one but there's a topic on TechSpot ( https://www.techspot.com/article/1841-gpu-cheap-oem-pc/) site which they actually tried benchmarking from OEM system which throttled due to it's designed VRM's for office uses and of an market motherboard one where they noticed that the Z97 aftermarket board had a slightly better performance due to better cooling VRMs providing more FPS and stable lowest FPS and unlocked power draw limit for the CPU from the decent motherboard which I think this hugely matters for competitive gaming where the tight timings are so important to be the lowest possible especially on the whole system processing latency from motherboard, cpu, ram, gpu and all.



I get 300fps stable and pretty smooth performance with 240Hz on DyAc Premium and pretty stable after all the tweakings I did but couldn't figure out about the "late timings" problem. It could be either the so "limited" motherboard nor the it's OEM PSU but honestly I think it is the motherboard that it's not designed with all of it's components for fast processing timings for serious competitive gaming. I'm an serious competitive player and was since my childhood which yeah I haven't got it overnight actually so those timings are so sensitive to me that I can feel it oo crystal clear differences.


I would like to get an Z97 gaming m-ATX gaming motherboard that would fit on my micro tower Hp ProDesk 400 G1 desktop and not have to buy another case since I've spent quite good moneys on such workstation OEM systems that didn't satisfy my needs and in my country it's even hard to sell such old systems since people here buy mostly new gen ones with decent CPUs so at this point I'm just wasting my moneys and never please my needs.



If Chief could give any insights on this, would really appreciate that since I wanna hear the most from people who are experienced on such things since this topic is too delicate and hard to understand without someone actually knowing not just theoretically what they are talking about but really having real experiences and understandings on such particular topic. There are people who assume that motherboards of an OEM and aftermarket one doesn't make any difference but it indeed it does make since logically the motherboard is the "heart" of a computer where everything connects together to make that actual system work and if one thing fails everything will fail it's best operating condition. Thanks to every single one who gives any useful input.


P.s: Since the old CRT times after that I had a really bad half of decade with business systems on my competitive needs and at some points I even thought I was bad and my reaction times are gone forever and I will be stuck on this noob playstyle just like everyone else but after really focusing onto it recently I took my inner strengths, skills, fast reaction times and my full potentials that been hiding for half a decade inside me. So to whoever have such kind of feelings whom they did a lot better back then but when I say 'a lot better' I mean on the full meaning of the word and consistently being on top or at least genuine feeling that you were better than others and lost them after changing systems nor having outdated ones then first try to change things starting from your system hardwares, pheriperals, and even check about the network and power electricity of your house from someone's else computers. As you will indeed be able to get those potentials deep inside of you that were hiding.

[deama]

Could try some internet tweaks from this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUEhXx42DzY

Quickly skip to 20:46 where he talks about buffer bloat, use the same website as him and see if you get a similiar value.

[Dieter]

Could try some internet tweaks from this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUEhXx42DzY

Quickly skip to 20:46 where he talks about buffer bloat, use the same website as him and see if you get a similiar value.

What about changing motherboards to a good m-ATX Z97 Gaming one? Which ones do you guys recommend for my i7 4790 that you have experiences on those motherboards themselves? I'm completely convinced that this is an motherboard issue (either the last part PSU if anyone is completely sure at this otherwise might be not), since last 2 days I got really great power electricity I guess even with really small noises as I could notice on the buttery smooth performance but with one really bad downside; Really Bad Late Timings, there's a demo of my recent match on matchmaking if you are interested to check my movements out.
steam://rungame/730/76561202255233023/+ ... DedJ-c84VH

[Dieter]

Could try some internet tweaks from this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUEhXx42DzY

Quickly skip to 20:46 where he talks about buffer bloat, use the same website as him and see if you get a similiar value.

By the way I did the test on Buffer Bloat on that website about my network (ISP), so I got 378ms with literally running nothing on idle, I guess it is network related then If i'm right?

There's the results of my tests on the Buffer Bloat:

1st run: http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/66161609 Idle - 378ms, Downloading - 388ms, Uploading - 197ms

2nd run: http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/66161643 Idle - 50ms, Downloading - 756ms, Uploading - 194ms

3rd run: http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/66161671 Idle - 334ms, Downloading - 662ms, Uploading - 195ms

I've even had spikes from 700-1000ms during the test while nothing really running in the background.

All the tests were run on nothing running in background nor any device in my house except light web surfing on some smartphone devices from Wireless router. My router model is this Archer C60 V2.0 as I bought it 70$ for the best signal and MU-MIMO technology for simultaneously running on multiple devices without any interfering, i'm running on it's ethernet port btw. I have got also TechniColor Modem from my ISP as well which it has even wireless support. So I have both wireless routers/modems running it's own wifi access points.

[Anonymous768119]

I don't want to worry you, but I was suspecting motherboard aswell. Changed from B450 Tomahawk to Asus TUF X570 and I didn't notice any good changes. In my case CS:GO is very sluggish, non-responsive. My movement is somehow delayed and I feel like I am always 0.5s behind everybody. Then when I am spectating somebody, he is fragging however on my screen he barely hits. Tried already 3 different ISP, changed PSU, RAM, CPU, MOBO. I am considering changing to Intel but I am hopeless. Only what remains is to take my PC to my friend's house and make sure that is somehow related to place where I live. Seriously, this is hilarious.

[Dieter]

I don't want to worry you, but I was suspecting motherboard aswell. Changed from B450 Tomahawk to Asus TUF X570 and I didn't notice any good changes. In my case CS:GO is very sluggish, non-responsive. My movement is somehow delayed and I feel like I am always 0.5s behind everybody. Then when I am spectating somebody, he is fragging however on my screen he barely hits. Tried already 3 different ISP, changed PSU, RAM, CPU, MOBO. I am considering changing to Intel but I am hopeless. Only what remains is to take my PC to my friend's house and make sure that is somehow related to place where I live. Seriously, this is hilarious.

You basically changed from almost 'high end' one to an real high end one motherboard. I never had nor used aftermarket, high end nor "gaming" motherboards in my life, i've always had OEMs since my first celeron PC and up to now. So basically i'm trying to switch from an OEM used motherboard to an Z97 Gaming Motherboard with a lot better VRM Phases and VRM coolings as well as the audio and other solid high quality japanese capacitors as well as gold plated socket and audios outputs shielded with gold contacts and such on. The thing is I'm actually feeling it could be from the motherboard's VRMs (even at it's worst I wanna upgrade my DDD3 rams to 3200Mhz with tightest latencies possible as those low latencies do actually matter A LOT in competitive gaming especially the CL14 3200Mhz ones, those are indeed legendary and there were my friends whom I suggested to buy it and they significantly fixed the input lags problem completely on the 10th gen pc) since my ISP is new and not so old like 2 years old that I changed from my first one that was 15 years old ago which I had high pings and got it fixed up with the new ISP on low 5-10 pings for reasonable price.

If there isn't any fix on the new motherboard you bought I guess you still didn't lose moneys with that one but you got even a better one why not. The problem might be on electricity since you tried changing ISPs and motherboards and other components. But who knows there could be a chance that all the three ISPs were bad so you shouldn't give up until you fix it, at least 95% if not 100%. You can simply try your friends pcs with their ISP and system electricity nor even go where there's gaming zones and try your own potentials there so you'll get more insights on that problem.

[Anonymous768119]

My priority now is to test UDP packets but it requires some good network knowdledge and I am now in familiarization stage.

[Dieter]

My priority now is to test UDP packets but it requires some good network knowdledge and I am now in familiarization stage.

That's great the more insights you get out the better it will be sharing with this community who genuinely wants to discover the problems on latency/timings related subjects. You could watch FR33THY's (that @deama linked) Internet tweaks and all the other latency related video he made, since I've used some of his tweaks even before but didn't really had the time to check about the internet full A-Z tweakings.

My problem here is that something is "struggling" to handle those "intensive moments" I get when playing competitively, where's there's people who literally made it to FPL Level (which is the highest online competitive level for CSGO where all the pro players play there for those whom didn't know) and yet he literally made it and even got the first place out of 300 other pro players which he got rewarded with 4,500$ for being there and all that with an i7 4790K and GTX 980 also 16 GB Ram but with a decent gaming motherboard probably as it is a custom build indeed and obviously hard working normally imagine getting it with such systems where all the others had even top tier ones; it's all the matter how skilled and reactive also strategically you are, first it's upon the system hardware which should be indeed decent and not delayed one then it's upon you.


I've seen people are also saying that Ryzen is the worst for CSGO competitive but they are wrong either Ryzen or Intel it still doesn't really hold you back no matter if intel has the lowest latencies but AMD is not that bad overall if you are yourself bad nor have this timings problem on power electricity nor network related. There's one guy called xzr on yt who is decent enough even on AMD system with an Ryzen 3600x and GTX 980TI and also 16GB 3000Mhz Rams. Not just that guy, there's plenty of people as well even s1mple that pro player guy who I think won some tournaments recently has an AMD system, so it doesn't really make any difference when you are used to it's all upon you if you feel comfortable with that system and input lags also the responses of that system.


P.s: People on such specs like mine are at least supposed to have Supreme rank on matchmakings yet here I am stuck on MG1 almost on MG2 and even Level 3 almost Level 4 on Faceit (an CSGO third party online competitive platform) when I have decent teams but can't get higher on neither one of them due to those timings.

[Anonymous768119]

Indeed, I know there are pro players on AMD setups and that's why I am still concerned that moving to Intel will eliminate my issues. Months ago I've upgraded my old 5 2700X to 7 3700X and I don't feel or see any difference in performance at all beside higher fps. I know about FPL and I can't figure out how the hell everything looks so simple for professional players. They don't seem to struggle so much with one taps like I am because in my case it's a lottery. Currently I suspect factors like below:

- internet quality due to prioritizing everything what is not related to gaming,
- internet congestion, cheap, overloaded routings and UDP handling by my ISP,
- obsolete network infrastructure,
- harmonics in the sine wave (however it was already checked with decent measuring apparatus and called "within limits" by electrician),
- living in vicinity of transformer (doubtful I would say),
- aged aluminium wiring and improvisation while cable routing and connection rather than professional work (old Polish style).
- cs:go config which cannot be 100% cleared because it remains somehow in steam cloud,

One of my friends who is really decent CS:GO player, after moving to new place noticed, that he has much worse gaming experience than before and complained about hitreg like never before. That can be a clue that there must be something which is not discovered yet and I would appreciate any documented research on it because for the moment I can see wandering in the fog (unfortunetaly I don't have measuring equipment and good IT/electronics knowdlege).

[Dieter]

Indeed, I know there are pro players on AMD setups and that's why I am still concerned that moving to Intel will eliminate my issues. Months ago I've upgraded my old 5 2700X to 7 3700X and I don't feel or see any difference in performance at all beside higher fps. I know about FPL and I can't figure out how the hell everything looks so simple for professional players. They don't seem to struggle so much with one taps like I am because in my case it's a lottery. Currently I suspect factors like below:

- internet quality due to prioritizing everything what is not related to gaming,
- internet congestion, cheap, overloaded routings and UDP handling by my ISP,
- obsolete network infrastructure,
- harmonics in the sine wave (however it was already checked with decent measuring apparatus and called "within limits" by electrician),
- living in vicinity of transformer (doubtful I would say),
- aged aluminium wiring and improvisation while cable routing and connection rather than professional work (old Polish style).
- cs:go config which cannot be 100% cleared because it remains somehow in steam cloud,

One of my friends who is really decent CS:GO player, after moving to new place noticed, that he has much worse gaming experience than before and complained about hitreg like never before. That can be a clue that there must be something which is not discovered yet and I would appreciate any documented research on it because for the moment I can see wandering in the fog (unfortunaly I don't have measuring equipment and good IT/electronics knowdlege).

Obviously, if you got the moneys and don't really care about it then I would recommend for the upcoming Intel 11th Gen CPUs on the upcoming year also it will even support PCIe 4.0, I wish it could of supported even the new DDR5 Rams as well, that would been awesome to upgrade builds! The FPL players are indeed pros, that's no doubt about it. It may seem so easy how they get kills but you should know that most of them got 10K+ hours of time put in, which is a lot since you have to train every single day to fed up the muscle memory but the most important thing is being aware about the enemy positions then you can easly be driven by your own reaction times, your aim and playstyle which based on all this practice and efforts put in they can make those shots seem so easly but in reality they are not that easy. As you can easly miss shots, even the pros do miss those shots and even play like silver sometimes when they are not concentrated enough, since this game is a matter of milliseconds nor even microseconds sometimes, if you don't focus good enough you will easly fall apart.

As for the factors you mentioned, honestly as I could see todays electronic are so sensitive that can easly be interfered from electro-magnetic interference a.k.a EMI by everything. Even an little device staying around could cause interferences.

- If the network is stable enough and in good condition like the fiber ones who are isolated and installed really well with no contact from the outside the prioritization won't really effect anything, as the network will be able to handle even those.
- If I was you I wouldn't cheap out on ISPs, I'm not sure in what country you live but I live in small country and they are almost releasing the fiber networks everywhere which some of serious competitive gamers (streamers) are actually using it onto playing FPL Europe. But it's cost 80Euros month, which is not that cheap around here. There are not so many ISPs like 4-5 I think in my whole country. And the new ones are usually better and provide better pings and offers.
- Cheap, overused , or out dated ISPs are never recommended for competitive gaming, as I myself got a new ISP for lower pings and stability.
- I haven't really occurred someone to see who was around those transformers, or having those "harmonics in the sine waves" and have impact in the system electricity to be honest. As for the electrical system of the whole house, it's indeed always recommended to have them all installed decently and professionally for every device of the house basically not just for stable competitive gaming. As for the configs getting corrupted in the Steam Cloud, I think it all matters on Steam's database for CSGO, I've had my settings synced before on my Steam Cloud when I used to go in the gaming zones but haven't had really any problems with them so far. There's some people who had this issue but I don't think everyone has it unless you literally prove it by creating a new account and play on it with your own PC and check for those issues. And yeah as it's been reported on this forum so many times that EMI could cause those problems when you move out. Honestly nowadays people have gone way too sensitive on everything, let alone the electronics. Which is kind of ironic when you think of it. :v