CSGO/CS2 observations (2 tweaks for you to try)

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R1sk
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Re: CSGO/CS2 observations (2 tweaks for you to try)

Post by R1sk » 16 Jun 2024, 03:01

Bro you know something but not everything go search for Upstream connections. These are the Head ISPs who has EU Upstreams for Online Gaming. You cant find any ISP who use DE-CIX for Online Gaming 😁

Upstreams
- - - - - - - - -
1.AS1299 - Arelion (fka. Telia Carrier)
2.AS174 - Cogent Communications
3.AS2914 - NTT America, Inc.
4.AS6453 - TATA Communications (America) Inc
5.AS3257 - GTT Communications Inc.
6.AS3356 - Lumen (Level 3)
7.AS6762 - Telecom Italia Sparkle (Seabone)
8.AS3320 - Deutsche Telekom AG

Do you see Arelion (fka. Telia Carrier) number 1?
In this world who pays much gets much..

agstrato
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Joined: 07 Jun 2018, 15:58

Re: CSGO/CS2 observations (2 tweaks for you to try)

Post by agstrato » 17 Jun 2024, 12:16

R1sk wrote: ↑
16 Jun 2024, 03:01
Bro you know something but not everything go search for Upstream connections. These are the Head ISPs who has EU Upstreams for Online Gaming. You cant find any ISP who use DE-CIX for Online Gaming 😁

Upstreams
- - - - - - - - -
1.AS1299 - Arelion (fka. Telia Carrier)
2.AS174 - Cogent Communications
3.AS2914 - NTT America, Inc.
4.AS6453 - TATA Communications (America) Inc
5.AS3257 - GTT Communications Inc.
6.AS3356 - Lumen (Level 3)
7.AS6762 - Telecom Italia Sparkle (Seabone)
8.AS3320 - Deutsche Telekom AG

Do you see Arelion (fka. Telia Carrier) number 1?
In this world who pays much gets much..
The thing is that Valve and all the other major companies for games are present in Internet Exchange points and the biggest one in Europe is DE-CIX. I don't see what Telia has to do with all this, my provider "Orange Spain" doesn't even have peering with Telia/Arelion. On top of that Sweden does have their own IX points but it's not any comparison with DE-CIX which is the main IX for most providers in Europe. Like how do you think you get such low ping nowadays? You fiber is connected to a hub that is connected to an IX where all games providers are hosted. It's like you are in LAN with them. For example here is my Orange tracert to Valve Madrid server:
"Tracing route to 155-133-246-50.valve.net [155.133.246.50]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms GT-AX6000 [192.168.50.1]
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 3 ms 4 ms 3 ms 10.255.103.133
4 3 ms 5 ms 4 ms 10.34.37.13
5 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms 10.34.37.1
6 18 ms 18 ms 19 ms 10.34.34.165
7 19 ms 18 ms 18 ms 10.34.160.101
8 18 ms 18 ms 17 ms 155-133-246-236.valve.net [155.133.246.236]
9 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms 155-133-246-213.valve.net [155.133.246.213]
10 18 ms 19 ms 18 ms 155-133-246-50.valve.net [155.133.246.50]"

Do you see how a local ip is connected straight to valve server? Also this is my AS so you can see my connection has nothing to do with Telia: https://bgp.he.net/AS12479#_peers
You can pretty much find most ISPs use DE-CIX for gaming and streaming, i'm not sure how you got to the opposite conclusion.

R1sk
Posts: 26
Joined: 19 May 2020, 13:17

Re: CSGO/CS2 observations (2 tweaks for you to try)

Post by R1sk » 18 Jun 2024, 05:34

agstrato wrote: ↑
17 Jun 2024, 12:16
R1sk wrote: ↑
16 Jun 2024, 03:01
Bro you know something but not everything go search for Upstream connections. These are the Head ISPs who has EU Upstreams for Online Gaming. You cant find any ISP who use DE-CIX for Online Gaming 😁

Upstreams
- - - - - - - - -
1.AS1299 - Arelion (fka. Telia Carrier)
2.AS174 - Cogent Communications
3.AS2914 - NTT America, Inc.
4.AS6453 - TATA Communications (America) Inc
5.AS3257 - GTT Communications Inc.
6.AS3356 - Lumen (Level 3)
7.AS6762 - Telecom Italia Sparkle (Seabone)
8.AS3320 - Deutsche Telekom AG

Do you see Arelion (fka. Telia Carrier) number 1?
In this world who pays much gets much..
The thing is that Valve and all the other major companies for games are present in Internet Exchange points and the biggest one in Europe is DE-CIX. I don't see what Telia has to do with all this, my provider "Orange Spain" doesn't even have peering with Telia/Arelion. On top of that Sweden does have their own IX points but it's not any comparison with DE-CIX which is the main IX for most providers in Europe. Like how do you think you get such low ping nowadays? You fiber is connected to a hub that is connected to an IX where all games providers are hosted. It's like you are in LAN with them. For example here is my Orange tracert to Valve Madrid server:
"Tracing route to 155-133-246-50.valve.net [155.133.246.50]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms GT-AX6000 [192.168.50.1]
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 3 ms 4 ms 3 ms 10.255.103.133
4 3 ms 5 ms 4 ms 10.34.37.13
5 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms 10.34.37.1
6 18 ms 18 ms 19 ms 10.34.34.165
7 19 ms 18 ms 18 ms 10.34.160.101
8 18 ms 18 ms 17 ms 155-133-246-236.valve.net [155.133.246.236]
9 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms 155-133-246-213.valve.net [155.133.246.213]
10 18 ms 19 ms 18 ms 155-133-246-50.valve.net [155.133.246.50]"

Do you see how a local ip is connected straight to valve server? Also this is my AS so you can see my connection has nothing to do with Telia: https://bgp.he.net/AS12479#_peers
You can pretty much find most ISPs use DE-CIX for gaming and streaming, i'm not sure how you got to the opposite conclusion.
Ok. Just show me a tracert includes DE-CIX ?
IX is not everything. Go search Upstreams.. You are in Spain and you show Madrid valve server. It is not an issue for you just try FACEIT Frankfurt (DE) servers and show me your tracert.

MeveSPB
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Joined: 07 Feb 2024, 03:32

Re: CSGO/CS2 observations (2 tweaks for you to try)

Post by MeveSPB » 18 Jun 2024, 09:25

cursed-gamer wrote: ↑
09 Jun 2024, 18:44
I don't consider this as cheating and I am waiting for my EdgeRouter for tests because I can't stand losing duels with no chance to react against 4-5 faceit levels whom in normal conditions I would anihilate with least efforts.
The router will not change the situation. I have this: Edge router 4+Edge Switch 10X and I keep feeling desynchronization.



I'm starting to get tired of this problem. I have a beautiful PC (13700KF, 3070TI SUPER, Z790 MSI Carbon wifi, DDR5), ASUS XG-C 100 C, the best provider in the house, benq 2546 - on silver DM, I can't kill an opponent at point blank range: he is just reborn, still white, my sight is on his head, then bang - and I'm dead. The moment of my murder is accelerated in time, like in a video rewind. At the moments of my death, when the camera moves away to the third view, I see an animation of a double fall. It's like I die on my monitor first, and then they show me my death on the server. Sometimes it turns out that I die in two different places. Shooting at a distance at moving opponents is a curse - there is no registration.

cursed-gamer
Posts: 239
Joined: 16 Aug 2023, 13:07

Re: CSGO/CS2 observations (2 tweaks for you to try)

Post by cursed-gamer » 18 Jun 2024, 11:14

MeveSPB wrote: ↑
18 Jun 2024, 09:25
cursed-gamer wrote: ↑
09 Jun 2024, 18:44
I don't consider this as cheating and I am waiting for my EdgeRouter for tests because I can't stand losing duels with no chance to react against 4-5 faceit levels whom in normal conditions I would anihilate with least efforts.
The router will not change the situation. I have this: Edge router 4+Edge Switch 10X and I keep feeling desynchronization.



I'm starting to get tired of this problem. I have a beautiful PC (13700KF, 3070TI SUPER, Z790 MSI Carbon wifi, DDR5), ASUS XG-C 100 C, the best provider in the house, benq 2546 - on silver DM, I can't kill an opponent at point blank range: he is just reborn, still white, my sight is on his head, then bang - and I'm dead. The moment of my murder is accelerated in time, like in a video rewind. At the moments of my death, when the camera moves away to the third view, I see an animation of a double fall. It's like I die on my monitor first, and then they show me my death on the server. Sometimes it turns out that I die in two different places. Shooting at a distance at moving opponents is a curse - there is no registration.
I've done some tests. Increasing ping by range 30-80 makes no difference for me in terms of desync/hitreg.

bwainzz
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Joined: 13 Mar 2024, 08:54

Re: CSGO/CS2 observations (2 tweaks for you to try)

Post by bwainzz » 18 Jun 2024, 15:56

I decided to do a test by reducing the in-game hz to 60 instead of the 360 ​​on my Alienware. Surprisingly the game started to be infinitely more responsive, I could see the enemies moving and I wasn't taking ferraripeek, this is bizarre, inexplicable. The conclusion I reach is that the energy in my house is incapable of pushing the monitor's 360hz.

I did the tests gradually increasing the hz (60-120-165-240-300-360) and the more the hz went up the worse the game got, the desync, hitreg, fast enemies, everything came back.

cursed-gamer
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Re: CSGO/CS2 observations (2 tweaks for you to try)

Post by cursed-gamer » 18 Jun 2024, 16:07

bwainzz wrote: ↑
18 Jun 2024, 15:56
I decided to do a test by reducing the in-game hz to 60 instead of the 360 ​​on my Alienware. Surprisingly the game started to be infinitely more responsive, I could see the enemies moving and I wasn't taking ferraripeek, this is bizarre, inexplicable. The conclusion I reach is that the energy in my house is incapable of pushing the monitor's 360hz.

I did the tests gradually increasing the hz (60-120-165-240-300-360) and the more the hz went up the worse the game got, the desync, hitreg, fast enemies, everything came back.
Can't confirm that it's not placebo, but set the hz to max and change fps to 64 for a while and then set it to 400 fps. Not sure if that was the case but this trick caused that the game was somehow playable. What I am 100% sure is the game was way more smoother when changing from 64 to 400 comparing to normal 400 fps gameplay from the first round.

To make it clear, set fps to 64 for 10-20 seconds, go back to 400 and see if there's any difference.

agstrato
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Joined: 07 Jun 2018, 15:58

Re: CSGO/CS2 observations (2 tweaks for you to try)

Post by agstrato » 21 Jun 2024, 08:21

R1sk wrote: ↑
18 Jun 2024, 05:34
agstrato wrote: ↑
17 Jun 2024, 12:16
R1sk wrote: ↑
16 Jun 2024, 03:01
Bro you know something but not everything go search for Upstream connections. These are the Head ISPs who has EU Upstreams for Online Gaming. You cant find any ISP who use DE-CIX for Online Gaming 😁

Upstreams
- - - - - - - - -
1.AS1299 - Arelion (fka. Telia Carrier)
2.AS174 - Cogent Communications
3.AS2914 - NTT America, Inc.
4.AS6453 - TATA Communications (America) Inc
5.AS3257 - GTT Communications Inc.
6.AS3356 - Lumen (Level 3)
7.AS6762 - Telecom Italia Sparkle (Seabone)
8.AS3320 - Deutsche Telekom AG

Do you see Arelion (fka. Telia Carrier) number 1?
In this world who pays much gets much..
The thing is that Valve and all the other major companies for games are present in Internet Exchange points and the biggest one in Europe is DE-CIX. I don't see what Telia has to do with all this, my provider "Orange Spain" doesn't even have peering with Telia/Arelion. On top of that Sweden does have their own IX points but it's not any comparison with DE-CIX which is the main IX for most providers in Europe. Like how do you think you get such low ping nowadays? You fiber is connected to a hub that is connected to an IX where all games providers are hosted. It's like you are in LAN with them. For example here is my Orange tracert to Valve Madrid server:
"Tracing route to 155-133-246-50.valve.net [155.133.246.50]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms GT-AX6000 [192.168.50.1]
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 3 ms 4 ms 3 ms 10.255.103.133
4 3 ms 5 ms 4 ms 10.34.37.13
5 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms 10.34.37.1
6 18 ms 18 ms 19 ms 10.34.34.165
7 19 ms 18 ms 18 ms 10.34.160.101
8 18 ms 18 ms 17 ms 155-133-246-236.valve.net [155.133.246.236]
9 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms 155-133-246-213.valve.net [155.133.246.213]
10 18 ms 19 ms 18 ms 155-133-246-50.valve.net [155.133.246.50]"

Do you see how a local ip is connected straight to valve server? Also this is my AS so you can see my connection has nothing to do with Telia: https://bgp.he.net/AS12479#_peers
You can pretty much find most ISPs use DE-CIX for gaming and streaming, i'm not sure how you got to the opposite conclusion.
Ok. Just show me a tracert includes DE-CIX ?
IX is not everything. Go search Upstreams.. You are in Spain and you show Madrid valve server. It is not an issue for you just try FACEIT Frankfurt (DE) servers and show me your tracert.
IX is pretty much everything nowadays mostly because ALL providers are present in these IX points. To be honest with you if you go to Arelion (Telia) website here "https://www.arelion.com/products-and-se ... ge-connect" you will find out that surprise surprise even they are present in DE-CIX Europe. Just read below "Service Coverage".
About the traceroutes it's pretty hard from Orange to show you any ip that says DE-CIX because they are private IPs (10.34.x.x) and Orange globalized all routing through a system called OpenTransit. In fact this is the reason i get different pings on the same IP i will show you this later. Getting back to the "show me this" i will provide you tracert from my other fiber line which is Digi Spain. Keep in mind that the .246.34 is a Madrid server and the other one i don't even know i just typed in a number. I believe that a screenshot is in line so we don't make this comment too large: https://postimg.cc/Hrfz1pfB
Also i am not really sure what you mean by upstream just keep in mind that i live in Spain which is pretty far away from Sweden and it wouldn't make any sense to "get internet" from Sweden when we have NL and DE closer, just saying... :lol:

agstrato
Posts: 63
Joined: 07 Jun 2018, 15:58

Re: CSGO/CS2 observations (2 tweaks for you to try)

Post by agstrato » 21 Jun 2024, 08:36

cursed-gamer wrote: ↑
18 Jun 2024, 11:14
MeveSPB wrote: ↑
18 Jun 2024, 09:25
cursed-gamer wrote: ↑
09 Jun 2024, 18:44
I don't consider this as cheating and I am waiting for my EdgeRouter for tests because I can't stand losing duels with no chance to react against 4-5 faceit levels whom in normal conditions I would anihilate with least efforts.
The router will not change the situation. I have this: Edge router 4+Edge Switch 10X and I keep feeling desynchronization.



I'm starting to get tired of this problem. I have a beautiful PC (13700KF, 3070TI SUPER, Z790 MSI Carbon wifi, DDR5), ASUS XG-C 100 C, the best provider in the house, benq 2546 - on silver DM, I can't kill an opponent at point blank range: he is just reborn, still white, my sight is on his head, then bang - and I'm dead. The moment of my murder is accelerated in time, like in a video rewind. At the moments of my death, when the camera moves away to the third view, I see an animation of a double fall. It's like I die on my monitor first, and then they show me my death on the server. Sometimes it turns out that I die in two different places. Shooting at a distance at moving opponents is a curse - there is no registration.
I've done some tests. Increasing ping by range 30-80 makes no difference for me in terms of desync/hitreg.
Yes ofc it doesn't fix desync, if you go to page 6 and read my comment(s) you can see i stated this clearly. What this does is give you lagcompensation, and on a no input lag PC/internet it is a huge advantage, exactly like turks and russians. BTW i strongly advise people to stay away from the Cavium based EdgeRouters, they create a lot of OutOfOrder packets. I had an EdgeRouter-6P and that model is one of the bad ones. The architecture is made for speed and it pretty much bypasses packet order so it's a mess for UDP.

tenzi
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Joined: 13 Jul 2021, 15:30

Re: CSGO/CS2 observations (2 tweaks for you to try)

Post by tenzi » 25 Jun 2024, 08:09

My game keep starting with game traffic bandwidth set to extremely restricted, does anyone know why and how to fix that?
I have a pretty good internet connection (1Gb up and down) so i dont see why i'm getting these settings
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