Re: My experience with “the lag” and temporary fixes

[SweatHatesMe?]

I also forgot to mention that I had bought a laptop I hadn't plugged into the electricity of my home because it still had a little bit of battery left, and I was still having input lag.

Sadly not even new hardware makes the lag to stop , btw bro do you play rocket league?

[cybepine]

Just my little thoughts to this topic...

Do you use a lot of antiperspirants?

They contain aluminum, so they might cause some kind of interference with electric equipment.
Try to remove those completely for a short time.

Or

Maybe you have heavy metal poisoning?

[iizana]

I also forgot to mention that I had bought a laptop I hadn't plugged into the electricity of my home because it still had a little bit of battery left, and I was still having input lag.

Sadly not even new hardware makes the lag to stop , btw bro do you play rocket league?

not really the last time i played was in 2021

[MontyTheAverage]

I tested with EMF shielding gloves1 and other different type of gloves/ shielding. Same thing where it may work for some time and doesn't work again the same. So there is no sweat involved.

[SweatHatesMe?]

Were your hands completely dry and cold (basically no humidity)? And the problem with efm gloves is that even they block signals, they still let some electricity to flow reason why you can use your phone wearing them. The thing is we need to find a material that let us shield completely electric flow and also any type of body fluid, but at the same time we can use our input hardware comfortably. My first thought is plastic, but idk how the hell is possible to shield a controller/mouse with it. Maybe with a 3d printed model

[SweatHatesMe?]

Just my little thoughts to this topic...

Do you use a lot of antiperspirants?

They contain aluminum, so they might cause some kind of interference with electric equipment.
Try to remove those completely for a short time.

Or

Maybe you have heavy metal poisoning?

Mmm it can be, if I’m being honest the only thing I use with aluminum is my deodorant. Might give a try, the problem is that I go to the gym and I use deodorant on my daily.

[SweatHatesMe?]

I also forgot to mention that I had bought a laptop I hadn't plugged into the electricity of my home because it still had a little bit of battery left, and I was still having input lag.

Sadly not even new hardware makes the lag to stop , btw bro do you play rocket league?

not really the last time i played was in 2021

Ohh I see, asked to see if someone has a higher/lower input lag and to compare how does it behaves.

[SweatHatesMe?]

Controller player with sweaty hands here, will try to do the socks shielding thing LOL

Lmaooo, usually when you sweat is when probably you will feel some sort of deterioration. I have a towel to clean the sweat and an A/C to reduce it. Sadly I’ve hyperhidrosis which on critical moments reduces stability, still is the most stable “fix” I’ve found. The more you reduce any physical contact the better.

I can also add that I’ve noticed all these many things u wrote about as well.

Trying it now,
I never noticed my hands are a bit moist while playing. And wiping them on my shirt makes my aim instantly better. After a clip or two my hands instantly start sweating again and then the lag feeling comes back. This is kinda crazy lol

Exactly, skin as i said on other post has high resistance skin by itself has up to >.1M ohms of resistance, which lower resistance of skin is sweat and moisture (reason why you get electrocuted). And moisture and sweat are the only things that can get into the hardware circuits by accident, even by really small quantities. Bro you should try shielding your mouse and keyboard with a towel, before doing it try to use your phone touch and fold the towel until you r not able to use it anymore, it usually requires just one fold. I know it isn’t the most scientific way to prove there’s no electricity contact between you and the surface, but it stills a huge barrier between you and the surfaces. If you try it share the results pleaseee!!

[SweatHatesMe?]

I will just say I had EXACT SAME experiences. Same problems, same random temporary solutions that fixes the issues for a match of two or an hour or a day. (and lot of the temp solutions will work once and won't work again until I try them few weeks later again and same where the problems exist across, hardware, software, ISP, peripherals and location.

And my hands also sweat a lot after playing for awhile. And if I don't touch the mouse for a few minutes and return to the game, the game and mouse gets so much more responsive and easy to aim.. ut only for several seconds/ minutes and then the lag issues degarde to worse and worse over time again. Most of the time across all the online games, the first match or 2... the lag issues are minimal. Like I will go 30-10 on scoreboard. Then over time my scores and K/D will get worse and worse to where My K/D is negative. But still it doesn't explain HOW WE cause this. What reasonable/scientific reason is there?

It can be a lot of things, even ones that are out of control. Sadly this is kinda niche bc most people can just plug and play without any problem, still there are some possibilities we can just discard by pure testing. It isn’t location based because it happens to all people over the world, it isn’t something about electric installations (this can simply be proven by inviting someone to your house and play with your setup .If both have the same results and experience some type of lag, then you can assume it’s something wrong with the electric installation or other way would be simply playing in another place with completely different hardware and see if the lag disappears), it isn’t some conspiracy bs that our accounts have something otherwise creating a new account would fix it or having someone to create it for you, neither an isp issue changing of isp could fix it or playing on another place. At the end of everything the only “variable” that still is the same is you.
Even if it’s us somehow, there are still plenty of possibilities. My biggest bet is on sweat/heat transferring creates some type of electric noise that interferes with the input hardware and nothing else. If it creates an interference with something else, the computer would just crash instantly bc the cpu wouldn’t be able to handle the instructions correctly and other hardware would also fail in consequence of the cpu failing. Also I bet for sweat because our skin has a really big resistance which ranges around 0.1-10M ohms and sweat is highly conductive due to their properties and usually the “lag” starts getting noticeable after 2-5 minutes when usually people starts to sweat on that range of time.

I’ve experienced similar things to what you described. If you hold ice, a cold glass, or a piece of metal for around 20 seconds, the mouse’s weight changes quite a lot, but it doesn’t last long and it doesn’t seem to have any effect on desync. I also experienced a similar effect to the one I get from ice when doing a median nerve stretch.

If you put your PC next to a window and you’re sitting in front of the window yourself, the screen seems to become clearer. I don’t think it’s a sweat problem, because if that were the case, wearing gloves or having a fan blow directly on your hand should solve it, or it shouldn’t improve when you hold ice.

It feels more neurological to me, or maybe related to body temperature. I also have hyperhidrosis, but some pros have this problem too, so I don’t think that really means anything.

For me, the least laggy gameplay I’ve ever experienced happened one day when the metal showerhead broke. I spent around 40 minutes fixing it with a metal Allen key, and when I sat down at my PC afterward, it might have been the smoothest, most lag-free and effortless gameplay I’ve ever had. If I’m making something with a mixer, using a mixer like this gives me the heaviest mouse feeling afterward, but even that isn’t consistent.

Do you have any other health issues? Also, could you share your body temperature after waking up and after eating, measured from your armpit? And could you also tell me how you grip the mouse and whether you play mainly with your arm or your wrist?

The problem with gloves is no matter the material, let some either sweat or electricity to leak even by small amounts, still idk if they exist some gloves that are sweat resistant and at the same time doesn’t let any type of electricity flow between you and the surface <- if they do it would be worth to someone give it a try or I can even myself. Playing with a fan won’t resolve the issue assuming it’s sweat, it still leaks on less amount.
You’ve experienced that because you are discharging static on those materials and also changing your hand’s moisture by carrying particles of the material (in case of water) which let your hands continue discharging through those particles, just less aggressive and on less quantity until the particles mix with your sweat/hands moisture or evaporates or aren’t anymore on your hand. Try moisturizing your hands constantly and you will see how the lag returns periodically and the screen tearing becomes more aggressive with time, still more slowly by doing it just one time. The reason why screen tearing doesn’t disappear is simply bc the “noise” (let’s just call it like that) is already leaked and the computer is trying really hard to define your position or gets it with a margin of mistake on comparison of what you’re seeing through the screen and here is when this stupid desync on online games starts appearing by consequence weird physics appears, bullets don’t hit, opponents with god reflexes, heavy aim, weird opponent movement, not being able to dodge bullets, almost impossible to hit enemies on corners, feeling that the opponent moves faster, and a lot of different things at the end depends on the type of game and its physics. The reason that offline games doesn’t feel that bad is because the computer have time to correct those mistakes, that’s why even if you see a desync game still feels playable. Again this doesn’t apply to games where the inputs needs to be almost perfect, for example: Geometry Dash, Osu!, etc.
I’ll be lying to say I’ve noticed the window effect bc I’ve always played next to my window and my A/C.
What I’ve noticed is that playing without the A/C or when it’s not hitting the pc and me, the game feels a little more heavy.

A possibility that pros aren’t affected by hyperhidrosis and sweat is bc every human has a different sweat/moisture composition. This happens because properties varies on some ranges, like: Ph, minerals, how salty it is (the more salty, the more conductive is). The reason I don’t think is something about brain activity is because it would also affect other components and would 100% crash the device in what you are playing, simply by the nature of how electronic devices work. If a cpu has a wrong instruction thanks to “noise”, the system crashes instantly.

Yepppp, you experienced that bc you were constantly discharging the static of your body, over here you can say that the problem has always been static electricity, but when you discharge; is the discharging fast enough to discharge the sweat that constantly appears and on consequence make the “noise” disappear? Sadly I don’t have an answer to that, I’ve never been able to connect to a professional grounding system and play (if someone has grounded itself professionally, please share results would be a BIG CLUE), I’m on the side that is sweat bc is the only thing that can physically have interaction with input hardware circuits and particles can be enough to cause some type of “noise” when they leak, though they electric power isn’t strong enough to make a malfunction or “noise” on other type of components. Adding to it sweat/moisture is also present on all our exterior body.
A thought that I have is that this sweat theory can be refuted if someone that experiences this lag plays with another part of their body and the lag completely disappears forever, probably would try to play with my feet, I size 12 USA so I don’t see much future on this bc how small the controller is compared to them.

Finally answering your questions: yes I do, I’ve asthma and I’m allergic to a lot of stuff.
Yes, I can do that tomorrow
I play with controller and I don’t touch any surface, when I do it it isn’t conductive, but when it is the lag disappears for minutes then comes back.

[perpe2334]

I will just say I had EXACT SAME experiences. Same problems, same random temporary solutions that fixes the issues for a match of two or an hour or a day. (and lot of the temp solutions will work once and won't work again until I try them few weeks later again and same where the problems exist across, hardware, software, ISP, peripherals and location.

And my hands also sweat a lot after playing for awhile. And if I don't touch the mouse for a few minutes and return to the game, the game and mouse gets so much more responsive and easy to aim.. ut only for several seconds/ minutes and then the lag issues degarde to worse and worse over time again. Most of the time across all the online games, the first match or 2... the lag issues are minimal. Like I will go 30-10 on scoreboard. Then over time my scores and K/D will get worse and worse to where My K/D is negative. But still it doesn't explain HOW WE cause this. What reasonable/scientific reason is there?

It can be a lot of things, even ones that are out of control. Sadly this is kinda niche bc most people can just plug and play without any problem, still there are some possibilities we can just discard by pure testing. It isn’t location based because it happens to all people over the world, it isn’t something about electric installations (this can simply be proven by inviting someone to your house and play with your setup .If both have the same results and experience some type of lag, then you can assume it’s something wrong with the electric installation or other way would be simply playing in another place with completely different hardware and see if the lag disappears), it isn’t some conspiracy bs that our accounts have something otherwise creating a new account would fix it or having someone to create it for you, neither an isp issue changing of isp could fix it or playing on another place. At the end of everything the only “variable” that still is the same is you.
Even if it’s us somehow, there are still plenty of possibilities. My biggest bet is on sweat/heat transferring creates some type of electric noise that interferes with the input hardware and nothing else. If it creates an interference with something else, the computer would just crash instantly bc the cpu wouldn’t be able to handle the instructions correctly and other hardware would also fail in consequence of the cpu failing. Also I bet for sweat because our skin has a really big resistance which ranges around 0.1-10M ohms and sweat is highly conductive due to their properties and usually the “lag” starts getting noticeable after 2-5 minutes when usually people starts to sweat on that range of time.

I’ve experienced similar things to what you described. If you hold ice, a cold glass, or a piece of metal for around 20 seconds, the mouse’s weight changes quite a lot, but it doesn’t last long and it doesn’t seem to have any effect on desync. I also experienced a similar effect to the one I get from ice when doing a median nerve stretch.

If you put your PC next to a window and you’re sitting in front of the window yourself, the screen seems to become clearer. I don’t think it’s a sweat problem, because if that were the case, wearing gloves or having a fan blow directly on your hand should solve it, or it shouldn’t improve when you hold ice.

It feels more neurological to me, or maybe related to body temperature. I also have hyperhidrosis, but some pros have this problem too, so I don’t think that really means anything.

For me, the least laggy gameplay I’ve ever experienced happened one day when the metal showerhead broke. I spent around 40 minutes fixing it with a metal Allen key, and when I sat down at my PC afterward, it might have been the smoothest, most lag-free and effortless gameplay I’ve ever had. If I’m making something with a mixer, using a mixer like this gives me the heaviest mouse feeling afterward, but even that isn’t consistent.

Do you have any other health issues? Also, could you share your body temperature after waking up and after eating, measured from your armpit? And could you also tell me how you grip the mouse and whether you play mainly with your arm or your wrist?

The problem with gloves is no matter the material, let some either sweat or electricity to leak even by small amounts, still idk if they exist some gloves that are sweat resistant and at the same time doesn’t let any type of electricity flow between you and the surface <- if they do it would be worth to someone give it a try or I can even myself. Playing with a fan won’t resolve the issue assuming it’s sweat, it still leaks on less amount.
You’ve experienced that because you are discharging static on those materials and also changing your hand’s moisture by carrying particles of the material (in case of water) which let your hands continue discharging through those particles, just less aggressive and on less quantity until the particles mix with your sweat/hands moisture or evaporates or aren’t anymore on your hand. Try moisturizing your hands constantly and you will see how the lag returns periodically and the screen tearing becomes more aggressive with time, still more slowly by doing it just one time. The reason why screen tearing doesn’t disappear is simply bc the “noise” (let’s just call it like that) is already leaked and the computer is trying really hard to define your position or gets it with a margin of mistake on comparison of what you’re seeing through the screen and here is when this stupid desync on online games starts appearing by consequence weird physics appears, bullets don’t hit, opponents with god reflexes, heavy aim, weird opponent movement, not being able to dodge bullets, almost impossible to hit enemies on corners, feeling that the opponent moves faster, and a lot of different things at the end depends on the type of game and its physics. The reason that offline games doesn’t feel that bad is because the computer have time to correct those mistakes, that’s why even if you see a desync game still feels playable. Again this doesn’t apply to games where the inputs needs to be almost perfect, for example: Geometry Dash, Osu!, etc.
I’ll be lying to say I’ve noticed the window effect bc I’ve always played next to my window and my A/C.
What I’ve noticed is that playing without the A/C or when it’s not hitting the pc and me, the game feels a little more heavy.

A possibility that pros aren’t affected by hyperhidrosis and sweat is bc every human has a different sweat/moisture composition. This happens because properties varies on some ranges, like: Ph, minerals, how salty it is (the more salty, the more conductive is). The reason I don’t think is something about brain activity is because it would also affect other components and would 100% crash the device in what you are playing, simply by the nature of how electronic devices work. If a cpu has a wrong instruction thanks to “noise”, the system crashes instantly.

Yepppp, you experienced that bc you were constantly discharging the static of your body, over here you can say that the problem has always been static electricity, but when you discharge; is the discharging fast enough to discharge the sweat that constantly appears and on consequence make the “noise” disappear? Sadly I don’t have an answer to that, I’ve never been able to connect to a professional grounding system and play (if someone has grounded itself professionally, please share results would be a BIG CLUE), I’m on the side that is sweat bc is the only thing that can physically have interaction with input hardware circuits and particles can be enough to cause some type of “noise” when they leak, though they electric power isn’t strong enough to make a malfunction or “noise” on other type of components. Adding to it sweat/moisture is also present on all our exterior body.
A thought that I have is that this sweat theory can be refuted if someone that experiences this lag plays with another part of their body and the lag completely disappears forever, probably would try to play with my feet, I size 12 USA so I don’t see much future on this bc how small the controller is compared to them.

Finally answering your questions: yes I do, I’ve asthma and I’m allergic to a lot of stuff.
Yes, I can do that tomorrow
I play with controller and I don’t touch any surface, when I do it it isn’t conductive, but when it is the lag disappears for minutes then comes back.

Yeah, maybe you’re right. I tried some grounding equipment, like ESD or some type of grounding, but it only seems to reduce the weight of the mouse. I haven’t noticed any improvement in terms of desync, though. Maybe more professional solutions are needed.

Whenever I talk to people who have been dealing with this issue for a long time, they often seem to have some kind of health problem, usually involving the immune system things like allergies, short-term memory problems, breathing problems, body temperature regulation issues, and so on. I have allergies too. A lot of people are hesitant to share this kind of stuff.

For example, if you go to groups with people who have EHS, heavy metal toxicity is often their number-one suspect, and mercury is frequently blamed for a lot of it. But there’s really no solid evidence for that. Some people claim they have amalgam fillings, etc., but once you go down that path, it becomes another rabbit hole with even more uncertainty.

By the way, for hyperhidrosis, I’ve noticed that increasing my intake of ionized salt reduces the sweating to some extent. You could try it too and see if it makes a difference for you.